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  • Eastdog
    WOOF Communtiy Organiser
    • Feb 2012
    • 18290

    #61
    Re: Second half fade outs

    Originally posted by Ghost Dog
    What I want to do, is look at other clubs who have undergone bare bones rebuilds.
    Melbourne, Richmond and so forth. How many times did they win first quarters in games while re-building?
    I take confidence from the fact we beat Sydney, who are a quality outfit, for the first Qtr. if we can X4 this it certainly bodes well.
    For sure that 1st quarter was fantastic against a top side with the team we have got. The challenge in being a good side is like you said Ghost Dog X4 of that first quarter. Its expected that we are going to fall away to quality opposition but I hope in the next 2 weeks against Geelong and Brisbane our 2nd halves are much much better.
    "Footscray people are incredible people; so humble. I'm just so happy - ecstatic"

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    • Bornadog
      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
      • Jan 2007
      • 66726

      #62
      Re: Second half fade outs

      Originally posted by Eastdog
      For sure that 1st quarter was fantastic against a top side with the team we have got. The challenge in being a good side is like you said Ghost Dog X4 of that first quarter. Its expected that we are going to fall away to quality opposition but I hope in the next 2 weeks against Geelong and Brisbane our 2nd halves are much much better.
      and the last quarter was absolutely horrible with the Swans kicking 10 goals.
      FFC: Established 1883

      Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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      • Eastdog
        WOOF Communtiy Organiser
        • Feb 2012
        • 18290

        #63
        Re: Second half fade outs

        Originally posted by bornadog
        and the last quarter was absolutely horrible with the Swans kicking 10 goals.
        Awful final quarter considering we were under 40 points at 3qtr time. We just conceded far too many goals in the end. Sydney kicked 26 goals only 4 goals of 30 goals. Just not good enough.
        "Footscray people are incredible people; so humble. I'm just so happy - ecstatic"

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        • Remi Moses
          WOOF Member
          • Jan 2009
          • 14785

          #64
          Re: Second half fade outs

          Thank god I'm on the other side of the world and not witnessing this.
          Nobody excepts what's happening but knee jerk responses like recruiting recycled players to finish nowhere isn't the answer. Going to endure some pain, but I'd rather rebuild the right way.

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          • Bornadog
            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
            • Jan 2007
            • 66726

            #65
            Re: Second half fade outs

            Originally posted by Remi Moses
            Thank god I'm on the other side of the world and not witnessing this.
            Nobody excepts what's happening but knee jerk responses like recruiting recycled players to finish nowhere isn't the answer. Going to endure some pain, but I'd rather rebuild the right way.
            Who suggested that?
            FFC: Established 1883

            Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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            • Twodogs
              Moderator
              • Nov 2006
              • 27655

              #66
              Re: Second half fade outs

              Originally posted by bornadog
              Who suggested that?

              I'm curious about that too.
              They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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              • chef
                Hall of Fame
                • Nov 2008
                • 14622

                #67
                Re: Second half fade outs

                Originally posted by bornadog
                Who suggested that?
                Wasn't it Longwait tongue in cheek?
                The curse is dead.

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                • LongWait
                  WOOF Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 936

                  #68
                  Re: Second half fade outs

                  Originally posted by chef
                  Wasn't it Longwait tongue in cheek?
                  Yep.

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                  • jeemak
                    Bulldog Legend
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 21831

                    #69
                    Re: Second half fade outs

                    I think it's pretty clear we've substituted repeat effort and aerobic fitness for core strength. This was particularly evident in our competitiveness in our first half of the season around the ball. Equally, it's coming to bite us at this time of the year when the already stronger sides have been able to run over the top of us in the second half, week in, week out.

                    I'd actually love to see us play the GWS and GC teams now, as I think we'd still probably have enough talent to maintain a half time lead, and capitulate in terms of fitness at the same rate as they would.

                    I will give our fitness staff some credit for how our side has been managed this year in terms of minimising soft tissue injuries. Sure, we've had a few, but when I look at the way Essendon went about things this year, helter skelter for the first ten to fifteen rounds and then everyone broke down, I appreciate the rest put in to our younger players when they'ver required it.
                    TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                    • G-Mo77
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 9876

                      #70
                      Re: Second half fade outs

                      Originally posted by Eastdog
                      For sure that 1st quarter was fantastic against a top side with the team we have got. The challenge in being a good side is like you said Ghost Dog X4 of that first quarter. Its expected that we are going to fall away to quality opposition but I hope in the next 2 weeks against Geelong and Brisbane our 2nd halves are much much better.
                      That first quarter is where we want to be the hard part is replicating that for 4 quarters. I guess with time the younger players will be able to run out games. Despite being a blow out I was more upbeat after the game, there were some good passages of play even after we lost our legs. It'll take time but we'll get there.

                      Confidence has a lot to do with it as well. The heads dropped when Sydney hit the front in the 2nd quarter and it was downhill after that. That's going to be a tricky hurdle to overcome now as well.

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                      • Ghost Dog
                        WOOF Member
                        • May 2010
                        • 9404

                        #71
                        Re: Second half fade outs

                        Originally posted by G-Mo77
                        That first quarter is where we want to be the hard part is replicating that for 4 quarters. I guess with time the younger players will be able to run out games. Despite being a blow out I was more upbeat after the game, there were some good passages of play even after we lost our legs. It'll take time but we'll get there.

                        Confidence has a lot to do with it as well. The heads dropped when Sydney hit the front in the 2nd quarter and it was downhill after that. That's going to be a tricky hurdle to overcome now as well.
                        At Quarter time, Kirk talked to a Bulldog official. He asked him if he was happy with the lead. The official replied ' just wait until after half time'. And sure enough, we caved in. If our lack of match fitness is so well known ( and broadcast to all ) then why don't we come up with some strategies to counter it?

                        1. Hold up the ball more in the second half to allow people to get their breath back. Not for 10 minutes, but just short, 1 minute intervals.
                        2, Cooney cannot be the sub. We need an endurance runner who can fill multiple roles.
                        3. After half time, Cordy to the ruck, Will to rest, smaller forward line. Lock it into the f50
                        You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                        • Mofra
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 14953

                          #72
                          Re: Second half fade outs

                          Interesting stat on the last 15 weeks - we are the only side in the competition to have lost every second half.
                          GWS & GCS have won 2 each, Port have won 7.
                          Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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                          • Bornadog
                            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 66726

                            #73
                            Re: Second half fade outs

                            Originally posted by Mofra
                            Interesting stat on the last 15 weeks - we are the only side in the competition to have lost every second half.
                            GWS & GCS have won 2 each, Port have won 7.
                            Confirms what I have said we are the worst side in the competition.
                            FFC: Established 1883

                            Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                            • Maddog37
                              WOOF Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 3132

                              #74
                              Re: Second half fade outs

                              Originally posted by bornadog
                              Confirms what I have said we are the worst side in the competition.
                              Congratulations BAD!

                              Should we get a trophy minted to commemorate your football acumen?

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                              • Ghost Dog
                                WOOF Member
                                • May 2010
                                • 9404

                                #75
                                Re: Second half fade outs

                                Not the worst side in the first quarter! ^_^
                                You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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