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  • Nuggety Back Pocket
    WOOF Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 2064

    Re: Second half fade outs

    Originally posted by bornadog
    The positives for the year are the young players. They have gained valuable experience and will only get better as their bodies grow and they get more experience at AFL level.

    We have to be patient with the taller players as we know they take longer to mature.
    We are still desperately short of one or even two key forwards and there has been little to suggest that any will emerge from our current list, which includes Jones and Cordy.

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    • Bulldog4life
      WOOF Member
      • Oct 2007
      • 9607

      Re: Second half fade outs

      Originally posted by Chops
      What's the problem?
      No problem. You are unique. Take it as a compliment.

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      • Mofra
        Hall of Fame
        • Dec 2006
        • 14954

        Re: Second half fade outs

        Originally posted by Nuggety Back Pocket
        We are still desperately short of one or even two key forwards and there has been little to suggest that any will emerge from our current list, which includes Jones and Cordy.
        I'm not writing either off yet, but 2013 seems a bit of a stretch for either to really grab their place in the side with any force.
        Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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        • LostDoggy
          WOOF Member
          • Jan 2007
          • 8307

          Re: Second half fade outs

          What we are desperately short of is endurance and maturity. We sometimes lack the endurance to hunt in numbers and get across the ground to help our team mates when we don't have the ball. We sometimes lack the physical strength to hold tackles or to withstand pressure on our bodies, but most of all we seem to lack the split second instinct to do it the best way. But experienced oppositions know how to do it. And when they get on top we find it hard to compete. We become reactive rather than the aggressor.

          What we are trying to learn is to keep contesting and to stay in the game. Not always easy when you are young and have so much to learn, and can be intimidated by losing the contest. You only have to be a second slower to react and your opposing player has gone.

          So it's when we don't have the ball that is a problem as much as when do have it (poor kicking), because we are not yet at an age where we can work hard enough for long enough to win games. This can be fixed with time and practice and through the introduction of more players who can genuinely compete for a spot in the senior side.

          But maturity and experience do not happen overnight.

          I think Macca has done an excellent job so far in stripping back the style of play to the basics and re-educating, of giving so many younger players blocks of games, of playing them on good players in the opposition, of concentrating on contested footy first, and of going with developing the talent we have rather than trading lots in. I hope he continues this way until we have a group of players who, together, know each other and know instinctively what each will do in any situation.

          I can see us developing a really potent midfield in the future. But it may take several years. And with Wallis, we have a possible leader who appears to be a very clear headed and determined young man who already is soaking up all he can learn.

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          • LostDoggy
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 8307

            Re: Second half fade outs

            Originally posted by jeemak
            So what would you have seen done differently, and what do you see as being required steps over the preseason and first half of next season to provide you with a little faith in the current structure?

            You're very passionate, and I like that, though I want to understand why you're so sure we're on a path to failure.
            Sorry jeemak already gone through this.
            Just quickly
            Differently - no game plan, no forward line, no speed with or without the ball, poor selections, little improvement in many players, continual thrashings, etc

            Required steps for next year - improves in all those areas above.

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            • Bornadog
              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
              • Jan 2007
              • 66738

              Re: Second half fade outs

              Originally posted by Chops
              Sorry jeemak already gone through this.
              Just quickly
              Differently - no game plan, no forward line, no speed with or without the ball, poor selections, little improvement in many players, continual thrashings, etc

              Required steps for next year - improves in all those areas above.
              But other than that we are going well
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              Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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              • jeemak
                Bulldog Legend
                • Oct 2010
                • 21833

                Re: Second half fade outs

                Originally posted by Chops
                Sorry jeemak already gone through this.
                Just quickly
                Differently - no game plan, no forward line, no speed with or without the ball, poor selections, little improvement in many players, continual thrashings, etc

                Required steps for next year - improves in all those areas above.
                Thanks Chops.

                I suppose I'll have to trawl through your older posts if I want to find the detail backing up the above.
                TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                • Maddog37
                  WOOF Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 3132

                  Re: Second half fade outs

                  Originally posted by Chops
                  Sorry jeemak already gone through this.
                  Just quickly
                  Differently - no game plan, no forward line, no speed with or without the ball, poor selections, little improvement in many players, continual thrashings, etc

                  Required steps for next year - improves in all those areas above.
                  Do you see anything that has improved this year Chops?


                  Genuine question.

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                  • LostDoggy
                    WOOF Member
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 8307

                    Re: Second half fade outs

                    Originally posted by Maddog37
                    Do you see anything that has improved this year Chops?


                    Genuine question.
                    Wallis and Minson but they have more to do with just playing than the coaching department.

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                    • Eastdog
                      WOOF Communtiy Organiser
                      • Feb 2012
                      • 18292

                      Re: Second half fade outs

                      This happened with us today and I hope its not more commonplace this year.
                      "Footscray people are incredible people; so humble. I'm just so happy - ecstatic"

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                      • chef
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 14624

                        Re: Second half fade outs

                        It was a game of two halves. I'm sure we'll focus on what we did in the first half and get back to doing it over the whole game again. The sky isn't falling.
                        The curse is dead.

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                        • ReLoad
                          Senior Player
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 1460

                          Re: Second half fade outs

                          please correct me if im wrong, but we have not won a last quarter all year?

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                          • chef
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 14624

                            Re: Second half fade outs

                            Originally posted by ReLoad
                            please correct me if im wrong, but we have not won a last quarter all year?
                            Kids struggling to run out games. A few more preseasons are needed.
                            The curse is dead.

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                            • comrade
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 18033

                              Re: Second half fade outs

                              Originally posted by Eastdog
                              This happened with us today and I hope its not more commonplace this year.
                              If you don't expect a 2nd half fade out to occur, especially when we cop a few injuries, you're going to be very disappointed.

                              To paraphrase Shakespeare: 'Expectation is the root of all heartache'.
                              Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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                              • Ozza
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 6402

                                Re: Second half fade outs

                                Originally posted by ReLoad
                                please correct me if im wrong, but we have not won a last quarter all year?
                                Only the WCE game.

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