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  • Topdog
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2007
    • 7471

    Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

    Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
    Yep - and not so long ago David King was a huge wrap for us, he was the first 'media personality' to jump on board last year before we even hit that late run of good form.

    You don't have to be a genius to see that we're difficult to watch, but I really rate King and his footy opinion.
    Just read what I wrote again and it does sound like I was paying out on king, just very poorly written my behalf. Just wanted to highlight that good media are now starting to talk about how hard it is to watch us

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    • Topdog
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2007
      • 7471

      Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

      Originally posted by jeemak
      By chance did he provide an insight on how we can go about fixing things? We all know we're difficult to watch, but apart from comments to that nature nobody seems to have tangibles aside from landing messiah key forwards to get us out of our current predicament.
      A big forward isn't going to suddenly help our run and carry

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      • bulldogtragic
        The List Manager
        • Jan 2007
        • 34316

        Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

        Originally posted by Topdog
        Just read what I wrote again and it does sound like I was paying out on king, just very poorly written my behalf. Just wanted to highlight that good media are now starting to talk about how hard it is to watch us
        I thought that was what you meant. Not many in media were speaking positively, and now there's one less. Not sure Dermott's prediction of us having the best midfield in the comp by next week will come true.
        Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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        • azabob
          Hall of Fame
          • Sep 2008
          • 15286

          Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

          Originally posted by Remi Moses
          We're difficult to watch ( as are quite a few teams) David King swings in the breeze a bit with his opinion.
          That whole hypothetical trade scenario he threw up was unrealistic .
          What was the scenario?
          More of an In Bruges guy?

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          • Webby
            WOOF Member
            • Jul 2012
            • 1880

            Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

            Our blueprint is and has always been to build a team from the inside out. That means constructing a midfield that wins contested footy. I think that box is ticked. Our contested footy stats stack up. The remaining parts are, as WTLF points out, ball carriers and forwards.

            Unfortunately, to land good forwards, the odds increase dramatically with early picks. Either that, or with trades where you actually have to give quality to get it.. (This is why I bring up the bold option of trading Griffen and a pick for a proven young key forward).

            We've taken the safe route in recent drafts. We've played percentages and drafted the higher probability versatile midfielder types. Again, building our game plan from the inside out. What this means, however, is a glut of similar players. There are certain clubs who lack inside mid grunt, yet have a healthy depth of KPP's and ball carrying mids. We need to start trading to balance up our list.

            Remembering, too, that by finishing towards the bottom of the ladder, we're in a good position to access players via the pre season draft. I'd expect us to begin filling the missing places via the National Draft, Pre Season Draft, free agency and trading this off season.

            Next year, we'll begin to take shape. We won't make finals, but we'll have a more functional and balanced structure. Unfortunately our list was a mess in 2011 and Jesus Christ Himself couldn't have coached a glut of U23 inside mids to finals.

            I'd just implore everyone to remember that this is the blueprint we've been told about from day 1 by McCartney. The only BS we were sold was the "It's a refresh, not a rebuild" guff that came from another bloke.

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            • jeemak
              Bulldog Legend
              • Oct 2010
              • 21769

              Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

              Originally posted by Topdog
              A big forward isn't going to suddenly help our run and carry
              Agreed.

              My frustration isn't with you or your post. Rather, it's with highly paid experts with no accountability telling us what we already know about ourselves without being accountable to providing tangible options to remedy the issues we have.

              Football analysts in our code get paid money for jam.
              TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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              • The Bulldogs Bite
                Hall of Fame
                • Dec 2006
                • 11194

                Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                Originally posted by Topdog
                Just read what I wrote again and it does sound like I was paying out on king, just very poorly written my behalf. Just wanted to highlight that good media are now starting to talk about how hard it is to watch us
                I didn't think it was poorly written at all TD, I knew what you were saying and agreed haha.
                W00F!

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                • The Bulldogs Bite
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 11194

                  Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                  Originally posted by Remi Moses
                  We're difficult to watch ( as are quite a few teams) David King swings in the breeze a bit with his opinion.
                  That whole hypothetical trade scenario he threw up was unrealistic .
                  I must have missed that bit. What was the hypothetical trade?

                  Originally posted by jeemak
                  Agreed.

                  My frustration isn't with you or your post. Rather, it's with highly paid experts with no accountability telling us what we already know about ourselves without being accountable to providing tangible options to remedy the issues we have.

                  Football analysts in our code get paid money for jam.
                  Although I agree on the whole, King is one of the few who is very articulate with his analysis.

                  From what I saw on this occasion, they didn't analyse why we were difficult to watch - it more of a passing comment.
                  W00F!

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                  • jeemak
                    Bulldog Legend
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 21769

                    Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                    Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
                    I must have missed that bit. What was the hypothetical trade?



                    Although I agree on the whole, King is one of the few who is very articulate with his analysis.

                    From what I saw on this occasion, they didn't analyse why we were difficult to watch - it more of a passing comment.
                    Which seems to me to be a real issue with the way we're discussed in the media. Part of it is a commercial reality, the other part for mine is there's no magic pudding for analysts to hang their hats on, apart from the obvious. Webby (who's contributions have been excellent these past months) suggests hitting the PSD to try and secure midfield talent who are outside oriented. Numerous posters here can think of avenues to improvement but all we get from mainstream media is the same shit we thought about a year ago.

                    There's just no depth in football analysis.
                    TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                    • bulldogtragic
                      The List Manager
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 34316

                      Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                      Originally posted by jeemak
                      Which seems to me to be a real issue with the way we're discussed in the media. Part of it is a commercial reality, the other part for mine is there's no magic pudding for analysts to hang their hats on, apart from the obvious. Webby (who's contributions have been excellent these past months) suggests hitting the PSD to try and secure midfield talent who are outside oriented. Numerous posters here can think of avenues to improvement but all we get from mainstream media is the same shit we thought about a year ago.

                      There's just no depth in football analysis.
                      I agree. But also assume David King goes to a production meeting and says I want to spend 3 minutes talking about the dogs, what does the exec producer say?

                      There's no Cinderella story, no brownlow fancy, sexy port like resurgence, a returning coach taking a rabble to competitive, etc. I can't think of one narrative or story that we have so far this season that is worthy of spending air time on. The only way I see any media is like last year or more likely if we keep losing and it ain't going to be good for anyone. And when one TV program runs it, all of them do and that's when people get nervous about itchy trigger fingers on people's careers to stop the media. Gunga galunga.
                      Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                      • Sedat
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 11211

                        Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                        Contested ball is way down this season compared to last, so the inside out approach to our rebuild has already hit a snag before we've even worked on phase 2 of the rebuild. Also our tackling numbers are well up but only around the stoppages - we are 18th in the competition for tackling outside the stoppages.

                        A key forward is not going to be the panacea to our problems if we don't address other elements further up the ground.
                        "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                        • bulldogtragic
                          The List Manager
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 34316

                          Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                          Originally posted by Sedat
                          Contested ball is way down this season compared to last, so the inside out approach to our rebuild has already hit a snag before we've even worked on phase 2 of the rebuild. Also our tackling numbers are well up but only around the stoppages - we are 18th in the competition for tackling outside the stoppages.

                          A key forward is not going to be the panacea to our problems if we don't address other elements further up the ground.
                          Thank you for saying so too. I'm not sure what Patton would've done to change the game last week, well actually I do know. Not much.
                          Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                          • jeemak
                            Bulldog Legend
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 21769

                            Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                            Originally posted by Sedat
                            Contested ball is way down this season compared to last, so the inside out approach to our rebuild has already hit a snag before we've even worked on phase 2 of the rebuild. Also our tackling numbers are well up but only around the stoppages - we are 18th in the competition for tackling outside the stoppages.

                            A key forward is not going to be the panacea to our problems if we don't address other elements further up the ground.
                            Sedat, would it be possible that contested ball numbers are down as a result of trying to adjust the plan to concentrate on other areas?

                            I don't think there's many of us that think a Patton or whoever is going to be the difference.
                            TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                            • whythelongface
                              Coaching Staff
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 4441

                              Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                              Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                              Thank you for saying so too. I'm not sure what Patton would've done to change the game last week, well actually I do know. Not much.
                              I actually believe, that due to our weight of possession, a contested marking forward would have made a big difference last week. This does not mean that this is the panacea for all our problems, however in last week's game it certainly would have helped. Whether we would have won the game is a mute point.

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                              • Topdog
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 7471

                                Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                                The other guy Mark McClure (sp??) sounded like he thinks McCartney is all talk to me.

                                He also suggested we should offer Griff for Jeremy Cameron which i kind of agree with.

                                BTW any chance we can rename this thread as with its current name i hate clicking on it. The discussion inside is great but awful name.

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