Pack your bags McCartney...

[Remi Moses]

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It's testing our resolve no doubt, but they've gotta go the journey.
It's time we invested in some pace and Run .
Oh and a big forward with an early pick

[LostDoggy]

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I'll probably get shot down for this and im not saying we don't have problems.

Brisbane were a false bottom side, check their form. Bar a couple of bad games against the Kangaroos and Swans who both could be top 6 sides, the Lions have either ran close to decent sides or beat them in their last 5 or so games. All were preety much teams we are even with or have beaten us already.

Make no mistake they are in preety good form, they knocked the blues off last week (who ran the cats to a whisker), Pushed the Bombers right out and knocked the saints off. Couldn't believe the odds before the game, especially with minimal changes.

Don't throw the towel in yet. But I do agree the loss really hurts and we need a few kicks in the Russell but 8 points in the end against a side who match up well with their superior speed and who are in form, isn't the end of the world and about where we are at.

YNWA.

[Topdog]

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I'll probably get shot down for this and im not saying we don't have problems.

Brisbane were a false bottom side, check their form. .

The problem with that is that it makes us a false 14th and reality that we should be 16th. Have we regressed that much in the last 10 months?

[Mantis]

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R17.

Agree that Brisbane aren't a terrible side, but the ladder doesn't lie. Sure St.Kilda & GWS are probably the 'worst' teams in the comp, but Brisbane and us are in the same bracket.

The disappointing thing is that Brisbane are missing a number of key players, whereas we are pretty much at full strength.. The gap between game style is vast too, but that also comes down to the type of player you draft & select.

[always right]

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I hate Macca bring compared to Rhode but I have to acknowledge that we are in a dark position that feels very similar. Clubs like ours survive on hope.....the hope that better times are just around the corner. When that hope ceases to exist, it becomes a very dangerous place.

To re-phrase the famous philosopher Ricky Gervais.......just when you think you can see a light at the end of the tunnel you realise it's just some bastard with a torch bringing you more misery.

[FrediKanoute]

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Maybe the alternative is to go back to what we know and what was successful.......Rocket Eade.? Hindsight is wonderful, but he read the situation right in 2010/2011 in regards rebuild. It was the club that refused to face he truth.

Personally, games we have lost this year, Brisssy, Norf, Essendon, the close ones where we have been in it but for a quarter, are where Eade would have been better tactically. I am sure he burns with unfinished business and can take a team which has been developed to win the contested ball and mould it into a rebounding counterattacking team.

[G-Mo77]

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FYI. Listening to Macca on MMM Podcast, quite good, a little more open than I've heard. Worth a listen if you've got a spare 10 minutes.

[Ghost Dog]

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It was an 8 point loss. I'm not sure that really calls for the coaches' head. Plenty of question marks as to why we seem to be behind schedule. Coach showing inexperience with certain match ups? Selections a bit off? ( Howard? ) Miss Boyd, need Grant to repeat success of late last year.

http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/sport/afl/

McCartney interview on Sunday Rub MMM

[Topdog]

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It was an 8 point loss. I'm not sure that really calls for the coaches' head.

In the 1 week at a time spirit of AFL cliches no it is not enough to start those calls. 3 wins in 11 games with one of the softest schedules ever might be.

[Ghost Dog]

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In the 1 week at a time spirit of AFL cliches no it is not enough to start those calls. 3 wins in 11 games with one of the softest schedules ever might be.

Which games, exactly, were 'soft' this season?

[1eyedog]

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Which games, exactly, were 'soft' this season?

...at least the Adelaide game?

It hasn't all got to do just with the results, a problem I have as has been discussed on this board is a lack of match day nous. If this is not Macca's role (e.g. it's the assistants role) then the assistants need to be looked at.

I'd also like to see a bit of passion in press conferences. He seems pretty relaxed generally like a man who has a number of years up his sleeve no matter what and knows that we will all be in it for the long hall. I just wish he would give / tell the members something!

[Ghost Dog]

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...at least the Adelaide game?

It hasn't all got to do just with the results, a problem I have as has been discussed on this board is a lack of match day nous. If this is not Macca's role (e.g. it's the assistants role) then the assistants need to be looked at.

I'd also like to see a bit of passion in press conferences. He seems pretty relaxed generally like a man who has a number of years up his sleeve no matter what and knows that we will all be in it for the long hall. I just wish he would give / tell the members something!

He has put his hand up and said " The buck stops with me,". What else could be said?

He'll be punished for his honesty by those outside the circle. Why can't we congratulate him for it within?
Yes Brendan, it's your job, so please be harsh at the selection table, get good tactical support for game day and lets move forward. Couldn't care less if he's passionate or not in the conferences. If he wins games or not; that's all I care about.
Bob Murphy wrote an article about the Detroit Pistons and their method of winning ugly. I'd like to see some of that.

We are so predictable as a side. Clubs know exactly what they are going to get and how to negate it.

[Bulldog4life]

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...at least the Adelaide game?

It hasn't all got to do just with the results, a problem I have as has been discussed on this board is a lack of match day nous. If this is not Macca's role (e.g. it's the assistants role) then the assistants need to be looked at.

I'd also like to see a bit of passion in press conferences. He seems pretty relaxed generally like a man who has a number of years up his sleeve no matter what and knows that we will all be in it for the long hall. I just wish he would give / tell the members something!

He does every week.

[The Underdog]

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...at least the Adelaide game?

It hasn't all got to do just with the results, a problem I have as has been discussed on this board is a lack of match day nous. If this is not Macca's role (e.g. it's the assistants role) then the assistants need to be looked at.

I'd also like to see a bit of passion in press conferences. He seems pretty relaxed generally like a man who has a number of years up his sleeve no matter what and knows that we will all be in it for the long hall. I just wish he would give / tell the members something!

I couldn't give a crap about the showing passion stuff. I'd rather have someone who can maintain a level head and mostly it achieves nothing but placating an angry fan base who want to see that others are also angry. I'd suggest that he's fairly different with the media than behind closed doors.
However I think if Macca retains his role (and the contract extension suggests he will) I agree that there needs to be a serious review of the assistant coaches. Particularly the forward and midfield roles which I believe is Grant and King. These areas have stagnated and we need to look at them. I know ultimately the head coach has responsibility but if there is no progression in certain areas of the ground then these line coaches need to be questioned.

[bulldogtragic]

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He does every week.

True, but I think the point was it's nothing of substance. When you suffer horrible losses and virtually the exact side fronts up again and the result is the same, words are very hollow. Members and supporters need hope, and I'm not being told anything to keep me hopeful, but worse, if it's about not walking the talk, leaving bad loss side (virtually) unchanged doesn't offer hope either. For whatever anyone's philosophy about learning, over defence, winning vs development. One of Macca's main roles as the face of our club is to walk and talk words of hope. People use a paralell of Port Adelaide as a team we could have copied this year. I hate to say the difference is Koch's investment into amazing videos and media, and Hinkley winning the hearts and minds of Pirt Adelaide was why they drastically improved. They got the fans back to the ground even before their resurgence hit. Melbourne did the same yesterday. Hope is what keeps us strong, retains members and gets new ones. I am without hope, simply accepting responsibility for a loss or a short video doesn't give me hope. Actions speak louder than words, our refusal to change losing sides is upsetting and frustrating as is when they lose again.