Draft Machinations

[The Pie Man]

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I'd love to trade 7 for 2 picks if we were certain Smith would still be there - and the little paper indicated today that interstate clubs won't touch him - though wasn't that the understanding around Florent last year given his Dad had just passed away yet Sydney took him anyway?

[bulldogtragic]

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I'd love to trade 7 for 2 picks if we were certain Smith would still be there - and the little paper indicated today that interstate clubs won't touch him - though wasn't that the understanding around Florent last year given his Dad had just passed away yet Sydney took him anyway?

Yep. The word in the press was all interstate teams agreed to let him stay in Melbourne. Nothing is certain if you trade down on that hypothesis.

[The Doctor]

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I'd be disappointed if we didn't take 1 key position player in the draft with one of our mid range picks at least.

I think Hayes deserves a chance and the rookie list should offer it to him.

[hujsh]

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And the reverse is also true. I'm talking about the actual bet, taking on the risk. If I dumb it down to the pokies. I walk by a machine, put in a dollar and win a $500 jackpot. There's a button that then says 'gamble'. You can win bigger. You can lose it all. I take the win. Pick 7 is a great pick, I take the win. As I say, it's my personal preference to not gamble and take big risks when you're in a strong enough position. Footy, pokies or anything else. That's just my take on life. If the club does otherwise I hope it is a blindingly great decision.

Pokies are a horrible example.

You aren't risking everything, you're making a known trade. Even if we didn't get Smith with the later pick we're still getting two good well rated juniors in the system. That is arguably less risk than going with one highly rated junior. Worst case is we split our investment from one risk into two, best case is we get an extra pick to play with and the guy we wanted regardless.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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I think it's been pretty clear for most of the year the top end talent of the draft is (in no particular order):

1. Walsh
2. Rankine
3. Lukosious
4. M King
5. Rozee
6. Smith
7. B King
8. Caldwell

Caldwell came on late but was always in the frame.

After these 8 it's not so clear. So trading out of the top 8 presents a significant risk IMO. Yes we are doing so on the basis Smith is still there, but as said above, nothing is guaranteed.

[bulldogtragic]

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Pokies are a horrible example.

You aren't risking everything, you're making a known trade. Even if we didn't get Smith with the later pick we're still getting two good well rated juniors in the system. That is arguably less risk than going with one highly rated junior. Worst case is we split our investment from one risk into two, best case is we get an extra pick to play with and the guy we wanted regardless.

I'm saying I (the human being) don't have a huge tolerance for unnecessary risk. I think there's a risk with trading a good pick at 7, as well as potential reward, and I don't think it's necessary in my mind. I'll back the club if they want to do it, and I understand the points you are making and they are more than valid in their own right. What I am saying, is that if it was up to me I wouldn't do it because my view in life is not to take unnecessary risk and that's how I see most matters. Since that's deeply built into my psyche, I don't think I'm going to change my mind by 8.30pm tonight. So let's see how it plays out and hope for a great night one result.

[Cyberdoggie]

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Pokies are a horrible example.

You aren't risking everything, you're making a known trade. Even if we didn't get Smith with the later pick we're still getting two good well rated juniors in the system. That is arguably less risk than going with one highly rated junior. Worst case is we split our investment from one risk into two, best case is we get an extra pick to play with and the guy we wanted regardless.

Problem is history tells us not all these players are going to be guns. We need to be sure we are picking the 'Patrick Dangerfield' and 'Cyril rioli' of this draft where others are after Cale Morton and Jarrod Grant.

1 Matthew Kreuzer
2 Trent Cotchin
3 Chris Masten
4 Cale Morton
5 Jarrad Grant
6 David Myers
7 Rhys Palmer
8 Lachie Henderson
9 Ben McEvoy
10 Patrick Dangerfield
11 Patrick Veszpremi
12 Cyril Rioli

[Rocket Science]

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The prospect of there being another Jarrad Grant out there fills me with a mix of wonderment and dread.

[AshMac]

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I'm saying I (the human being) don't have a huge tolerance for unnecessary risk. I think there's a risk with trading a good pick at 7, as well as potential reward, and I don't think it's necessary in my mind. I'll back the club if they want to do it, and I understand the points you are making and they are more than valid in their own right. What I am saying, is that if it was up to me I wouldn't do it because my view in life is not to take unnecessary risk and that's how I see most matters. Since that's deeply built into my psyche, I don't think I'm going to change my mind by 8.30pm tonight. So let's see how it plays out and hope for a great night one result.

It’s hard isn’t it. I’m the same, but I also kick myself when I don’t take the plunge and lose out. I’ll also back the club. This is Sammy P’s initiation IMO. I was relatively happy with trade period but this draft a premiership side building

[bulldogtragic]

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It’s hard isn’t it. I’m the same, but I also kick myself when I don’t take the plunge and lose out. I’ll also back the club. This is Sammy P’s initiation IMO. I was relatively happy with trade period but this draft a premiership side building

Yeah on the former. It does cut both ways. On the latter, I really liked our draft hand for tonight and tomorrow night. If our guys happen to nail all five picks, that's going to really create a block of players from several drafts to form a core around for 100+ games. Add in the mature talent a bit ahead of them and there's much optimism to be had about climbing back up the ladder, starting from tonight onwards.

[The Adelaide Connection]

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Yeah on the former. It does cut both ways. On the latter, I really liked our draft hand for tonight and tomorrow night. If our guys happen to nail all five picks, that's going to really create a block of players from several drafts to form a core around for 100+ games. Add in the mature talent a bit ahead of them and there's much optimism to be had about climbing back up the ladder, starting from tonight onwards.

I had the feeling that we might get 4 or 5 players this draft that we will have around for ten years until I flicked on 5AA on the drive home last night. They were rattling off statistics from the 13000 odd draftees and apparently 40% of players that play one game never make it to ten games (and that doesn't account for those that don't play at all).
I think it was also something like 2/3 don't make it to 50 games!

[bulldogtragic]

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I had the feeling that we might get 4 or 5 players this draft that we will have around for ten years until I flicked on 5AA on the drive home last night. They were rattling off statistics from the 13000 odd draftees and apparently 40% of players that play one game never make it to ten games (and that doesn't account for those that don't play at all).
I think it was also something like 2/3 don't make it to 50 games!

But how many were Scott Clayton picks. That skews the number...

[The Pie Man]

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Problem is history tells us not all these players are going to be guns. We need to be sure we are picking the 'Patrick Dangerfield' and 'Cyril rioli' of this draft where others are after Cale Morton and Jarrod Grant.

1 Matthew Kreuzer
2 Trent Cotchin
3 Chris Masten
4 Cale Morton
5 Jarrad Grant
6 David Myers
7 Rhys Palmer
8 Lachie Henderson
9 Ben McEvoy
10 Patrick Dangerfield
11 Patrick Veszpremi
12 Cyril Rioli

I know it was a while ago....and there were 10 other picks ahead of Sydney's......but doesn't Veszpremi before Cyril just grab ya from that bunch...

[Cyberdoggie]

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I know it was a while ago....and there were 10 other picks ahead of Sydney's......but doesn't Veszpremi before Cyril just grab ya from that bunch...

Wouldn't you love to have your time over and downtrade pick 5 for 10 and 12 that year.

Let's hope we can pull something like that off this year.

[Bulldog Joe]

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Yeah good VFL player, not quiet an AFL player.

We have had enough quiet AFL listed players.

(Sorry BAD)

I think Will could make a quite useful player, but I agree that he belongs on the rookie list.