Draft Machinations

[hujsh]

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One of my work colleagues is from Adelaide and played footy in the SANFL recently - he knows the Rankine family and reckons this kid is as professional and determined as anyone he has seen in SA, and it’s not just about natural talent with him. Not sure where the ‘Rankine unprofessional’ assertions are coming from. Sure he’s a flight risk but no less than Bailey Smith by the sounds.

Perhaps more the Dustin Martin/Ben Cousin mould than the Stringer one where the approach and dedication to the actual football is good but other issues pop up that are distractions?

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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This isn't 11 for 21/22 though. The deal with Adelaide is supposedly 7 for 8 plus another first rounder. That's a very big difference from the above examples. 7 is just as likely to be a bust as 8 and 13/16 could be an Ed Richards. Maybe the person Adelaide picks comes good but being afraid to take a measured risk because you're worried someone else will make you look stupid doesn't sound like a recipe for success to me.

There's also an inbuilt assumption that we'd pick the same player with the pick we trade. If we traded Pick 11 in 2006 we'd be talking about how we should have Riewoldt when in reality we'd be missing out on Everitt/Vespremi.

If we like Smith more than whoever Adelaide want at 7 and we can get pick 8 and someone before West then we'd be silly not to take that deal.

Why would Adelaide want our 7 for their 8 and later 1st round?
If we're taking Smith at 7..then the guy they want would still be available at 8?

[mjp]

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Out of Walsh, Lukosius, Rankine and M.King which one does he replace?

Gold Coast might select him at 3 to pair him with Lukosius but they could also easily wait until 6 to see if they can land him at that pick. Then there is Port at pick 5.

He might be available at pick 7 but I tend to think it's a bit of a long shot. He would be a hard player to pass on if available but maybe Adelaide or Port make a great offer to us.

I would be happy for him to replace any of them...he was the best player at 16, for some bizarre reason played outside of the centre square at the champs this year, then finished the year playing as an inside mid for a SANFL premiership team. I think Rankine is the most 'freakishly' talented, Walsh the steadiest and King the tallest...but Rozee is the best.

[mjp]

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One of my work colleagues is from Adelaide and played footy in the SANFL recently - he knows the Rankine family and reckons this kid is as professional and determined as anyone he has seen in SA, and it’s not just about natural talent with him. Not sure where the ‘Rankine unprofessional’ assertions are coming from. Sure he’s a flight risk but no less than Bailey Smith by the sounds.

Ahhh...the Rankine unprofessional rumours aren't just rumours. BUT the question that needs to be asked/answered is how much of it is 18yo boys being 18yo boys and how much is a genuine concern...

[Axe Man]

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Why would Adelaide want our 7 for their 8 and later 1st round?
If we're taking Smith at 7..then the guy they want would still be available at 8?

Agreed, I can't see how a deal with Adelaide makes any sense for them. It would surely have to involve GWS or Port if we were to swap pick 7.

[mjp]

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Am I the only one that remembers trading a plum first rounder (Curnow) for two later picks (Dunkley, Collins/delisted)? Or Josh Kelly for Tyson/traded again & Salem? Trading top picks to lower first/second round picks isn't a guaranteed good outcome, there's maybe good examples when it worked, but I'm risk adverse with pick 7. The pay off of a shithouse season is getting a top 10 pick, especially this year with a very good top 7. I'm hoping we don't get too clever.

I am pretty comfortable with the idea of trading down. The Curnow example keeps getting thrown up - but who knows whether we would have picked him or not...plus, if we change the names on the later picks and say we took Dunks and Bailey Williams at 25/26 rather than Dunks/Collins wouldn't we all have a different feeling about the pick? As for the Melbourne/Kelly/Tyson/Salem example, well, hell. Salem is great. Tyson is traded but really filled a need for them as an inside mid whilst their kids developed and I think Melbourne would be pretty happy with how things have turned out overall...maybe Tyson played a key role in educating Viney or helping Petracca or goodness knows what else...

These things aren't as simple as a single transaction.

[hujsh]

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Why would Adelaide want our 7 for their 8 and later 1st round?
If we're taking Smith at 7..then the guy they want would still be available at 8?

Yeah I agree it looks a bad deal for Adelaide. I guess it only really makes sense if we're willing (or seen to be willing) to trade 7 to Port or Adelaide believe we'd take whichever SA boy they want at 7 (who is maybe just marginally higher rated internally than Smith).

A few specifics needing to be in place there for sure but it was one of the deals mentioned and the easiest to say yes to by far

[Happy Days]

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One of my work colleagues is from Adelaide and played footy in the SANFL recently - he knows the Rankine family and reckons this kid is as professional and determined as anyone he has seen in SA, and it’s not just about natural talent with him. Not sure where the ‘Rankine unprofessional’ assertions are coming from. Sure he’s a flight risk but no less than Bailey Smith by the sounds.

I think I have an idea.

[anfo27]

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Why would Adelaide want our 7 for their 8 and later 1st round?
If we're taking Smith at 7..then the guy they want would still be available at 8?

I think the scenario would be if Rozee & Smith are available at our pick. We would prefer Rozee but would be happy with Smith & the extra pick as compensation for trading them the Rozee pick.

[bulldogtragic]

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I am pretty comfortable with the idea of trading down. The Curnow example keeps getting thrown up - but who knows whether we would have picked him or not...plus, if we change the names on the later picks and say we took Dunks and Bailey Williams at 25/26 rather than Dunks/Collins wouldn't we all have a different feeling about the pick? As for the Melbourne/Kelly/Tyson/Salem example, well, hell. Salem is great. Tyson is traded but really filled a need for them as an inside mid whilst their kids developed and I think Melbourne would be pretty happy with how things have turned out overall...maybe Tyson played a key role in educating Viney or helping Petracca or goodness knows what else...

These things aren't as simple as a single transaction.

I have a general issue, or personal preference against/with the concept. We are/could be betting a great pick this year for two good picks. That gamble doesn't sit within my personal risk tolerance. Hence, I'd prefer not to.

[hujsh]

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I have a general issue, or personal preference against/with the concept. We are/could be betting a great pick this year for two good picks. That gamble doesn't sit within my personal risk tolerance. Hence, I'd prefer not to.

We could be trading a great pick for two good picks. We could also be trading Richard Tabling for Nat Fyfe and change. Nothing is guaranteed so we can only back the judgement of the recruiting guys when the decision needs to be made.

[EasternWest]

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I think I have an idea.

Where would you rank him on the Stringer/Wingard - Morris/Cross scale?

[chef]

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And the reasons for that decision?

I think he'll end up being a better footballer and fills more of a need for us. Plus we have two young KPFs already(both high draft picks) and Kings knee worries me.

[Bornadog]

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I think he'll end up being a better footballer and fills more of a need for us. Plus we have two young KPFs already(both high draft picks) and Kings knee worries me.

I thought it was Max with the knee issues, not Ben.

[bulldogtragic]

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We could be trading a great pick for two good picks. We could also be trading Richard Tabling for Nat Fyfe and change. Nothing is guaranteed so we can only back the judgement of the recruiting guys when the decision needs to be made.

And the reverse is also true. I'm talking about the actual bet, taking on the risk. If I dumb it down to the pokies. I walk by a machine, put in a dollar and win a $500 jackpot. There's a button that then says 'gamble'. You can win bigger. You can lose it all. I take the win. Pick 7 is a great pick, I take the win. As I say, it's my personal preference to not gamble and take big risks when you're in a strong enough position. Footy, pokies or anything else. That's just my take on life. If the club does otherwise I hope it is a blindingly great decision.