Rolling Draft Order 2023

[bulldogtragic]

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Just as the FA talk ramped up regarding Williams his performances have improved. I'm now of the opinion to keep him.

Well, he’s restricted so there’s that. Personally I can’t see the compo being good enough to let him go. But to G’s point, there’s not much tradeable talent to get us another second rounder. Plus if Croft keeps improving, another second rounder might be sucked up for points in any event.

With the picks blowing out into the teens, it’s a refresh draft/trade period and not a rebuild. Despite it being a strong draft, I’d be wanting to be very trade active at this early stage.

[Bulldog Joe]

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Well, he’s restricted so there’s that. Personally I can’t see the compo being good enough to let him go. But to G’s point, there’s not much tradeable talent to get us another second rounder. Plus if Croft keeps improving, another second rounder might be sucked up for points in any event.

With the picks blowing out into the teens, it’s a refresh draft/trade period and not a rebuild. Despite it being a strong draft, I’d be wanting to be very trade active at this early stage.

We seem to be compounding our problem.

Croft keeps getting noticed to cost us more and all picks becoming of lesser value as us and Brisbane keep winning.

I will still take us winning ahead of draft points.

[azabob]

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It seems BT and I are in opposite camps (which probably means BT is right) and have been for majority of the season.

For mine, no trading this year, we invest in the draft and select at four kids. Ideally all in the top 30-40 after pick slides.

I'd even weigh up how much from a list management perspective we need another key forward (Croft).

[hujsh]

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It seems BT and I are in opposite camps (which probably means BT is right) and have been for majority of the season.

For mine, no trading this year, we invest in the draft and select at four kids. Ideally all in the top 30-40 after pick slides.

I'd even weigh up how much from a list management perspective we need another key forward (Croft).

Croft seems a hard one to commit to unless we know he or Darcy can play back.

I'd only trade for a young player who fits a need in the list profile. If no one fits the bill seems a good time to draft.

[bulldogtragic]

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It seems BT and I are in opposite camps (which probably means BT is right) and have been for majority of the season.

For mine, no trading this year, we invest in the draft and select at four kids. Ideally all in the top 30-40 after pick slides.

I'd even weigh up how much from a list management perspective we need another key forward (Croft).

Similar. I’d look at Bergman who was apparently on our draft radar and I think Lohmann is a good thing. Both young. Add a mid at pick 13 and Croft for points is too good to refuse. There’s two kids and two recent draftees. Add an another pick/kid, plus multiple rookie picks/kids. There’s plenty of kids. I’d still have a crack at Doedee too for a more mature player.

[bulldogtragic]

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Croft seems a hard one to commit to unless we know he or Darcy can play back.

I'd only trade for a young player who fits a need in the list profile. If no one fits the bill seems a good time to draft.

Too many talented 195-200cm goal kickers to us via priority. Sucks to be us!

Croft replaces Sweet as a 200cm player who won’t play next year. Sorted.

[GVGjr]

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Similar. I’d look at Bergman who was apparently on our draft radar and I think Lohmann is a good thing. Both young. Add a mid at pick 13 and Croft for points is too good to refuse. There’s two kids and two recent draftees. Add an another pick/kid, plus multiple rookie picks/kids. There’s plenty of kids. I’d still have a crack at Doedee too for a more mature player.

It's going to be a big decision to make to see if we top up with some underutilised talent from other teams or grab Croft and a couple of others from the draft and try and leverage free agency opportunities.

[bulldogtragic]

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It's going to be a big decision to make to see if we top up with some underutilised talent from other teams or grab Croft and a couple of others from the draft and try and leverage free agency opportunities.

Even more so if we want to both, free up some spots and put the Future First on the table. Ballsy move that we probably won’t go with, but imagine throwing all those picks and cash around, whilst still meaningfully hitting a strong draft with a priority access 200cm kid in Croft. The key question I think is this, the side is a 7-8 on the ladder type side. Are we going to slide or can a refresh propel us to the top four. If we believe there’s scope to climb the ladder before the inevitable cyclical rebuild, then let’s roll the dice and get aggressive. Our picks look like not being overly high, but in a broad strategy, could give us young talent at trade, a free agent, good kids and Croft.

[Bulldog Joe]

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Even more so if we want to both, free up some spots and put the Future First on the table. Ballsy move that we probably won’t go with, but imagine throwing all those picks and cash around, whilst still meaningfully hitting a strong draft with a priority access 200cm kid in Croft. The key question I think is this, the side is a 7-8 on the ladder type side. Are we going to slide or can a refresh propel us to the top four. If we believe there’s scope to climb the ladder before the inevitable cyclical rebuild, then let’s roll the dice and get aggressive. Our picks look like not being overly high, but in a broad strategy, could give us young talent at trade, a free agent, good kids and Croft.

I am still thinking our pick can end up as low as 18.

[bulldogtragic]

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I am still thinking our pick can end up as low as 18.

Pick 17 & 18 and some Dunkley tears?

[bulldogtragic]

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Round 10:

Ours:

Pick 13 (Dogs)
Pick 17 (Bris)
Pick 35 (Bris)
Pick 66 (Geel)
Pick 67 (Dogs)
Pick 69 (Melb)

(*197 Draft Points in last three picks: Croft as a F/S as high as Pick 42 with no deficit (inc. of discount) if required)


Giving:

Pick 31 (on top of 2022 Pick 30) for Rory Lobb - 1,233 DPs or =Pick 13 in DPs
Pick 49 & 51 (Hunter pick) on-traded for upgrade to Pick 35
= Hunter for a future 14 pick, second round, upgrade


Free Agency Compo Tiers (at natural selection):

First: Pick 14
Second: Pick 32
Third: Pick 50 (Likely best case on Bailey Williams as a theoretical RFA)


*** Natural Mid-Season Draft (assuming everyone had one): Pick 13

[bulldogtragic]

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Round 11:

Ours:

Pick 13 (Dogs)
Pick 16 (Bris)
Pick 34 (Bris)
Pick 63 (Geel)
Pick 67 (Dogs)
Pick 69 (Melb)

(*230 Draft Points in last three picks: Croft as a F/S as high as Pick 40 with no deficit (inc. of discount) if required)


Giving:

Pick 31 (on top of 2022 Pick 30) for Rory Lobb - 1,233 DPs or =Pick 13 in DPs
Pick 49 & 51 (Hunter pick) on-traded for upgrade to Pick 34
= Hunter for a future 15 pick, second round, upgrade


Free Agency Compo Tiers (at natural selection):

First: Pick 14
Second: Pick 32
Third: Pick 50 (Likely best case on Bailey Williams as a theoretical RFA)


*** Natural Mid-Season Draft (assuming everyone had one): Pick 13

[bulldogtragic]

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Round 15:

Ours:

Pick 11 (Dogs)
Pick 16 (Bris)
Pick 34 (Bris)
Pick 63 (Geel)
Pick 65 (Dogs)
Pick 69 (Melb)

(*793 Draft Points in last four picks: Croft as a F/S as high as Pick 17 with no deficit (inc. of discount) if required - as he may be late first round/early second rounder (say Pick 20), our second rounder added would be enough points to avoid deficit.

So then then it is maybe 11, 16 & 17/Croft and end if draft pick/s)


Giving:

Pick 29 (on top of 2022 Pick 30) for Rory Lobb, =Pick 12 in DPs
Pick 47 & 51 (Hunter pick) on-traded for upgrade to Pick 34
= Hunter for a future 13 pick, second round, upgrade


Free Agency Compo Tiers (at natural selection):

First: Pick 12
Second: Pick 30
Third: Pick 48 (Likely best case on Bailey Williams as a theoretical RFA)

[bulldogtragic]

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So:

Picks 11, 16, 17/Croft, Late Picks x 2, Rookie Upgrade x 1 (Scott), FA/Trade x 3 = 9 List Spots needed

Two spots can be opened up by list rebalancing. Leaving SIX or SEVEN MAIN list changes needed (depending on the trade of picks out). If you want to elevate McNeil and not delist him, increase it to SEVEN or EIGHT players off the main list.

From Main List: Keath, Duryea, Bruce, Bedendo, Hannan, Crozier, TOB, McLean, Sweet, Khamis (10 players) - so keep maybe three or four if you like.

Rookie List: with the three needing elevation or delisting done with (Scott, McNeil & Roarke), Baker for sure to be kept. McComb should be cut, but who knows. (Assuming the rookie list goes back to four spots) Leaves one or two (McComb gone) spots free - assuming Poulter gets another year - with Raak & JOD as Cat B’s not taking up official spots.

Then I’d look at any trades out being needed to be high end before Croft or perhaps lesser player trade requests for future picks. The current situation to secure Croft is a dead set bargain price for a 200cm athletic marking forward with significant upside. Hopefully he goes early second round around the Pick 20-24 range or slide (doubtful).

Effectively we are sitting on = 3 x First Rounders and a tradable Future First and millions spare in the salary cap on the rolling draft order.

(A) Rebuild, or
(B) Go hard thinking we are a few players off a flag

Either way of thinking, we are well positioned as it stands.

[Sedat]

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We just need Brisbane to implode in finals like they normally do (last year was an anomaly). They are very long odds to be getting a home QF, and could easily crash out in straight sets again.

Plenty to play out this season for us and them.