Rolling Draft Order 2023

[bulldogtragic]

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Current Indicative Draft Order: 10, 17, 36, 63, 66 & 71

North getting 3 & 20 compo. Gresham end of first round in the dodgy. Adelaide say second for Doedee.

11, 18, 40, 67, 70, 75


Note: 40, 67, 70 & 75 only has about 500 draft points. Meaning we are maybe 500 short on Croft. Say we go up to Pick 5. Sweet ain?t gunna get us there. Pick splitting 40 as well won?t either. If Lual slides passed 40 and needs points, we will need to live trade more future picks.

I would not be shocked to see Smith go, but at this point assuming he didn?t, we are going to super busy just to move picks around to take a nerve two picks potentially (5 & Croft) unless Lual slides and it?s maybe three.


Now for some nerdy stuff, it we trade our future first to GCS as reported (irrespective of what comes back) we need to preserve a 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounder. So I?m not sure we have the trade capital this year or next to get anyone any good. If GCS gave us an additional 2nd or 3rd back, then we could trade that - but that?s Coffield like range players. No one who will impact next season.

As it stands, it looks there?s a lot of work to do just to grab a couple of kids and nothing else. I want to believe we can turn it around next year, but it won?t be because of an off season grabbing talented players ready to go. It?s more likely to be the beginning of the end than a new beginning.

[Bornadog]

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Current Indicative Draft Order: 10, 17, 36, 63, 66 & 71

Update: 10, 17, 37, 65, 68 and 71

[jazzadogs]

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General question but really for BT - do you think it will be likely that we trade out some future picks (say a F3 or F4) to get points for Croft this year? Are there FS that we need to be stockpiling for next year?

[Mofra]

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General question but really for BT - do you think it will be likely that we trade out some future picks (say a F3 or F4) to get points for Croft this year? Are there FS that we need to be stockpiling for next year?

I don't know about next year but Jaxxon Cooney in 2025 projects as a first round pick at this stage.

[bulldogtragic]

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General question but really for BT - do you think it will be likely that we trade out some future picks (say a F3 or F4) to get points for Croft this year? Are there FS that we need to be stockpiling for next year?

I think we are pretty quiet for FS next year. As Mof says Cooney is the year after and West the following year likely going to be highish cost.

We need to do something to find about 500 points. The issue is future pick trading rules. If our F1 goes to GCS we need to hold an F2, F3 & F4. So if GCS handed back say a F2 or F3, we could trade that pick or our corresponding one. Which is why I tend to see Pick 36 being involved for Coffield as a future pick means we need to find it. We need whatever for Sweet this year so I’m not sure there’s scope to bring in future picks.

I’m going to really interested in how we get our hands on the extra points this year over the next few weeks.

[bulldogtragic]

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After more compo we have likely picks 40, 50, 55 & 70 (two other fourths which we can give to anyone who wants them)

Or: 962 Draft Points.

I’d like to get to 1,100. If we sell Pick 40 for the standard 150 point upgrade we are there. Plus perhaps an upgrade for Sweet.

So we have the points for Croft taken in the low teen range. And maybe some left over for Lual if he slips.

Coffield might be a F3. Harmes might be giving Melbourne back their 4th rounder given to use for Schache.

[bulldogtragic]

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We may not use any of our THREE fourth rounders.

I wonder if we can trade them out for anything, either players, slight upgrades or F4’s?

[bulldogtragic]

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If we get 48 for Sweet as Hun suggests:

Picks: (5) 40, 48, 50 & 55

Points

429
302 - 731
273 - 904
207 - 1,111

We still have three fourths to deal with Coffield. I think with needing to hold our F2, F3 & F4 having traded out our F1 & F3, the most obvious trade is as I?ve suggested whereby we trade 40 & 70 to St Kilda for Coffield and two thirds this year. For a slight upgrade on points, but not much. Then try to find someone interested in a fourth rounder or two if we won?t use them.

That gets us Croft around Pick 11 and insurance to grab Lual if he slides.

But then we need 6 vacancies to use Pick 5 and five picks with points. That means Bedendo, McLean & Croz need to go save for a list rebalance.

[bulldogtragic]

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Moved.

[Bornadog]

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Does this mean we have no capacity to trade in another player?

[bulldogtragic]

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Does this mean we have no capacity to trade in another player?

I think that’s us now. Other players by DFA or SSP.

[bulldogtragic]

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Final:

30 & 33 out for Lobb
57 in for Hunter
72 in for Schache has been struck as we can’t use it (meaning we got nothing for him in effect)

We packaged (now) 54 & 57 for Pick 40 from the Lions. But then unpackaged it recently for slightly better picks in 52, 56 & Coffield (plus we paid a F4). So Hunter, a third and F4 gets us about 1/2 to 2/3 of Croft plus Coffield.

So by dragging out the Lions negotiation last year it gave us Pick 67 which we have to use, and gave us a slight points upgrade and allowed us to get Coffield virtually for free/surplus.

So the Dunkley trade fully extrapolated after our moves is: Clarke (Pick 21), 1/3 price for Sanders (Pick 6), slight points upgrade for Croft (Pick 14-18), Pick 67 (points and live trading flexibility) & Coffield (former Pick 8)

[jeemak]

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Final:

30 & 33 out for Lobb
57 in for Hunter
72 in for Schache has been struck as we can’t use it (meaning we got nothing for him in effect)

We packaged (now) 54 & 57 for Pick 40 from the Lions. But then unpackaged it recently for slightly better picks in 52, 56 & Coffield (plus we paid a F4). So Hunter, a third and F4 gets us about 1/2 to 2/3 of Croft plus Coffield.

So by dragging out the Lions negotiation last year it gave us Pick 67 which we have to use, and gave us a slight points upgrade and allowed us to get Coffield virtually for free/surplus.

So the Dunkley trade fully extrapolated after our moves is: Clarke (Pick 21), 1/3 price for Sanders (Pick 6), slight points upgrade for Croft (Pick 14-18), Pick 67 (points and live trading flexibility) & Coffield (former Pick 8)

I read this on very little sleep but it's clear, thanks BT.

[azabob]

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Final:

30 & 33 out for Lobb
57 in for Hunter
72 in for Schache has been struck as we can?t use it (meaning we got nothing for him in effect)

We packaged (now) 54 & 57 for Pick 40 from the Lions. But then unpackaged it recently for slightly better picks in 52, 56 & Coffield (plus we paid a F4). So Hunter, a third and F4 gets us about 1/2 to 2/3 of Croft plus Coffield.

So by dragging out the Lions negotiation last year it gave us Pick 67 which we have to use, and gave us a slight points upgrade and allowed us to get Coffield virtually for free/surplus.

So the Dunkley trade fully extrapolated after our moves is: Clarke (Pick 21), 1/3 price for Sanders (Pick 6), slight points upgrade for Croft (Pick 14-18), Pick 67 (points and live trading flexibility) & Coffield (former Pick 8)

BT, I love how you manage to pull all the data together.

What it tells me is that Power and co never look at the trade period in isolation. When wheeling and dealing during the 2022 trade period he also had a eye on what 2023 may look like.

I'm starting to feel a bit more confident that maybe, just maybe, we haven't sold the farm as much as we all first thought by trading our our F1 in 2024.

[bulldogtragic]

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BT, I love how you manage to pull all the data together.

What it tells me is that Power and co never look at the trade period in isolation. When wheeling and dealing during the 2022 trade period he also had a eye on what 2023 may look like.

I'm starting to feel a bit more confident that maybe, just maybe, we haven't sold the farm as much as we all first thought by trading our our F1 in 2024.

What I’m wishful for is that Tim, Baz & Marra stay for good fair deals after good seasons. Then the excess cap we have that the media just discovered (……) is targeting a good free agent. If we can get a good player still next year, that more than offsets missing a good kid. If Sanders shows a bit, Clarke takes a step forward and Croft shows glimpses then yep, we miss out next year at the pointy end.

But. Levi West was an AA this year. If he stays at the level he’s been performing his junior career (if) then say he’s a first rounder in three years. What we can do the next two years is trade F1’s for probably later firsts for two years. Then when we have to use a First Rounder we use it on Levi, but pay in later picks (future trading rules count s matched bid in the first rounder as using a first rounder). Plus Jaxon Cooney has some big wraps too.

So I think Power has a bit more room to move thinking a bit longer. Ideally we wouldn’t have paid the F1, but if Sanders rips it up in GVGjr training reports, we won’t be too fixated on it. Ideally we do ok next year and the first we hand over is at least 11+.

Plus if Croft goes 15+, the 3 x Thirds they could almost/or fully cover Croft as a late first rounder too. So if he can slide a little Monday night then the math will say Power got it even better.

It will be fun dissecting it mid next week.