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  • GVGjr
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    • Nov 2006
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    #16
    Re: Tour of India speculation

    Don’t have to be conventional

    Brendon Julian believes Australia need to throw conventional wisdom out the window and open the batting with Travis Head in a bid to end their 19 year drought on Indian soil.

    Not since Adam Gilchrist helped inspire Australia to a 2-1 series win in 2004, has Australia been victorious in Test cricket in Indian conditions.

    Australia’s XI is cemented on home soil after they won four of five Test matches with one draw for the second summer in a row under Pat Cummins, but the challenges in India means there could be changes to the team.

    The spin friendly conditions in India means that Australia may need to play two spinners, while they also need a batting order that can contend with India’s superior spin bowling attack.

    Head has been dominant on home soil since coming into the Australian Test team, but his record away from home and particularly in the subcontinent has failed to come close to his output in Australia.

    Julian believes Australia should consider opening the batting with Head to give him the chance to score freely against India’s pace attack and get himself in before the spinners come on.

    “I think the big question will be the batting order, I think that’s going to change,” Julian said On Fox Sports News.

    “I think the batting order can change where I think Travis Head could be seen as opening the batting and Khawaja could bat No.3 and everyone slides down because the way that Travis Head bats is a real good option for Pat Cummins up the top of the order.

    “We don’t have to be conventional in India. I think the way that he goes about it and the series that he has just had, he might be more effective up the order rather than coming in, in the middle order.”

    Julian also believes that Matt Renshaw will come into the top six, if Cameron Green is not fit in time, which will have an effect on the bowling selections for the side.

    “I think Renshaw has got to come in,” Julian said.

    “So I think Renshaw will come in and I also think what will happen there is depending on the pitch, if I go Swepson and Lyon then I am going to go Pat Cummins in there as well and I am going to go Josh Hazlewood.

    “That would be my option if it was going to be an out and out turning wicket.”

    However, Julian believes Australia need their best wicket takers on the field depending on the conditions, after Ashton Agar went wicketless and failed to look threatening at the SCG after replacing Scott Boland in Sydney.

    “If it is not turning and there is a bit of grass in it or the pace through the air is pretty good then that’s where Boland will come in for Swepson or Lance Morris will come in depending on how he bowls in the nets as well.

    “I’m all for pace through the air. When you are talking about bowlers, I think Boland could do the job over there as well.”
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    • GVGjr
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      #17
      Re: Tour of India speculation

      Could we move Travis Head to the top of the order for this Indian tour? I think this would only happen if Warner was to retire and I don't think that is likely.
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      • lemmon
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        #18
        Re: Tour of India speculation

        Originally posted by GVGjr
        Could we move Travis Head to the top of the order for this Indian tour? I think this would only happen if Warner was to retire and I don't think that is likely.
        Could they flip Head and Khawaja for the India series? Khawaja is a much better player of spin and it saves bringing in a new man. Would then revert back to Head in the middle order for the Ashes.

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        • lemmon
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          #19
          Re: Tour of India speculation

          Just on Murphy, how much do we factor in the player's development/career trajectory in his selection?

          I think he's going to be a very good bowler but he's only just turned 22, has played 7 first class games and won't have played a red ball game for months by the time we get to India. He's nowhere near the finished article.

          A debut in India against the best players of spin in the world is bloody hard going and I think there's every chance he gets whacked around a bit. Is that kind of experience going to significantly set him back in the long run, especially as he seems to have been anointed as Lyon's successor?

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          • GVGjr
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            • Nov 2006
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            #20
            Re: Tour of India speculation

            Originally posted by lemmon
            Just on Murphy, how much do we factor in the player's development/career trajectory in his selection?

            I think he's going to be a very good bowler but he's only just turned 22, has played 7 first class games and won't have played a red ball game for months by the time we get to India. He's nowhere near the finished article.

            A debut in India against the best players of spin in the world is bloody hard going and I think there's every chance he gets whacked around a bit. Is that kind of experience going to significantly set him back in the long run, especially as he seems to have been anointed as Lyon's successor?
            Great point but....I think he does need to be part of the touring squad and even if that is as the 3rd or 4th wheel.
            The experience gained should be a huge plus for him even if he plays a test and gets spanked.
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            • lemmon
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              #21
              Re: Tour of India speculation

              Originally posted by GVGjr
              Great point but....I think he does need to be part of the touring squad and even if that is as the 3rd or 4th wheel.
              The experience gained should be a huge plus for him even if he plays a test and gets spanked.
              Agreed - and I'd be picking him for the squad, but it's not really been a part of the conversation so far and it's something to consider.

              It won't (and absolutely shouldn't happen), but I'd be picking Zampa for the squad. He's a better bowler than Swepson and Agar, has a huge amount of international and Indian and won't be overawed. I also think he has the ability to tailor his bowling to the conditions and his faster, flatter leggies with greater variation will be suited to Indian pitches.

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              • GVGjr
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                • Nov 2006
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                #22
                Re: Tour of India speculation

                Originally posted by lemmon
                Agreed - and I'd be picking him for the squad, but it's not really been a part of the conversation so far and it's something to consider.

                It won't (and absolutely shouldn't happen), but I'd be picking Zampa for the squad. He's a better bowler than Swepson and Agar, has a huge amount of international and Indian and won't be overawed. I also think he has the ability to tailor his bowling to the conditions and his faster, flatter leggies with greater variation will be suited to Indian pitches.
                Zampa is a genuine chance to be selected because in a direct comparison to Swepson he might be the better option.
                I wouldn't normally think he should be selected but he does have the experience and could do well on those Indian tracks.
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                • lemmon
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                  #23
                  Re: Tour of India speculation

                  The squad is out:

                  Australia Test squad for tour of India: Pat Cummins (c), Ashton Agar, Scott Boland, Alex Carey, Cameron Green, Peter Handscomb, Josh Hazlewood, Travis Head, Usman Khawaja, Marnus Labuschagne, Nathan Lyon, Lance Morris, Todd Murphy, Matthew Renshaw, Steve Smith (vc), Mitchell Starc, Mitchell Swepson, David Warner

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                  • Bornadog
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                    • Jan 2007
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                    #24
                    Re: Tour of India speculation

                    Originally posted by lemmon
                    The squad is out:

                    Australia Test squad for tour of India: Pat Cummins (c), Ashton Agar, Scott Boland, Alex Carey, Cameron Green, Peter Handscomb, Josh Hazlewood, Travis Head, Usman Khawaja, Marnus Labuschagne, Nathan Lyon, Lance Morris, Todd Murphy, Matthew Renshaw, Steve Smith (vc), Mitchell Starc, Mitchell Swepson, David Warner

                    https://www.cricket.com.au/news/aust...gar/2023-01-11
                    Warner should not be going, but they are too gutless to tap him on the shoulder. Average in India 24

                    Apparently Starc won't be ready for the first test, and not sure about Green's injury.
                    Last edited by Bornadog; 11-01-2023, 11:37 AM.
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                    • Axe Man
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                      #25
                      Re: Tour of India speculation

                      No surprises there. Hopefully Green is ready to go as it provides the selectors with more options for the bowling attack.

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                      • Bornadog
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                        #26
                        Re: Tour of India speculation

                        Originally posted by Axe Man
                        No surprises there. Hopefully Green is ready to go as it provides the selectors with more options for the bowling attack.
                        Good to see Peter Handscomb included
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                        • Axe Man
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                          #27
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                          Originally posted by bornadog
                          Good to see Peter Handscomb included
                          Backup keeping option in an emergency as well as batting coverage of course. Has also made runs in India in the past.

                          The door may have shut for Marcus Harris with Handscomb and Renshaw preferred.

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                          • GVGjr
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                            • Nov 2006
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                            #28
                            Re: Tour of India speculation

                            No real surprises and great to to Todd Murphy selected in the side. I thought they might have included Aaron Hardie as coverage in case Green doesn't quite come up for the first test.
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                            • lemmon
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                              #29
                              Re: Tour of India speculation

                              Originally posted by Axe Man
                              Backup keeping option in an emergency as well as batting coverage of course. Has also made runs in India in the past.

                              The door may have shut for Marcus Harris with Handscomb and Renshaw preferred.
                              Reckon we'll see Harris back for the Ashes unless Handscomb gets and cements his place. Think they like Handscomb's ability against the spinning ball and that he's right handed, plus Renshaw gives them opening bat cover with Harris not needed.

                              Agree that it's probably the squad we all expected but not sure about a few selections - I would've liked something more tailored to India.

                              I don't get taking Morris - I can't see him finding any assistance on Indian pitches and he'll now be missing the remainder of the Shield season. I would've gone with Jyhe Richardson to hopefully find some reverse swing.

                              I would've had Will Sutherland in my squad as well. Great record on the flat MCG with intelligent medium-fast bowling. He gets reverse swing, is a very clever bowler and has good variation in terms of cutters and slower balls. Also very handy number 8. I think he would've been a good horses-for-courses pick.

                              I'd have tried to squeeze Inglis into the squad somehow as well. He's one of the best players of spin in the country and just looks way too good for domestic cricket at the moment. I think he's more suited to India than Carey is.

                              I'd love to see us be experimental with the batting order over there. Head likes a hard ball coming onto the bat so why not use him to open up? Smith is our best player of spin so potentially hold him back to 5 or 6 to counter Ashwin. Split up the right and left handers to disrupt Ashwin and Axar Patel by dropping Khawaja between Marn and Smith. Think there are good options to explore.

                              I think a lot of the talk around this series has been very defeatist but this is a very good and settled Aussie side. Also a good chance Bumrah won't be right for the series.

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                              • Axe Man
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                                #30
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                                Jhye Richardson unsurprisingly is injured again so wasn't really an option.

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