2023 Tour of India

[Bornadog]

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It was an interesting selection process for the squad and we never quite make the hard calls.
All of our fears about Warner and Khawaja at the top of the order and if we had enough batsman with the temperament to gut it on a difficult track out all came true. We basically accept that our batsmen will bat the way that they want to not expect them to do what is needed.
The moment I saw Warner practicing batting right handed I suspected he wasn't in the right mindset to succeed and McDonald shouldn't have allowed it.
We allowed a dodgy wicket to dictate the attitude we took into the game and we were as good as defeated before a ball was balled.
Worse still we will write it off as dodgy wicket and not address the way that we batted.

A dodgy wicket that India made 400 on

[GVGjr]

Re: 2023 Tour of India

A dodgy wicket that India made 400 on

I don't think there is any doubt that the pitch was doctored and the track was dodgy but we didn't go into the game with the right mindset whereas India did. Bad pitches can be overcome if players apply themselves.

[jeemak]

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It was an interesting selection process for the squad and we never quite make the hard calls.
All of our fears about Warner and Khawaja at the top of the order and if we had enough batsman with the temperament to gut it on a difficult track out all came true. We basically accept that our batsmen will bat the way that they want to not expect them to do what is needed.
The moment I saw Warner practicing batting right handed I suspected he wasn't in the right mindset to succeed and McDonald shouldn't have allowed it.
We allowed a dodgy wicket to dictate the attitude we took into the game and we were as good as defeated before a ball was balled.
Worse still we will write it off as dodgy wicket and not address the way that we batted.

Did that actually happen for real as practice or was he just taking the piss? I can scarcely believe it would be serious when it's so ridiculous but I'm prepared to be surprised!

It was a dodgy pitch and it was doctored by India. Let's just admit it so we can get on with also dealing with the fact our bats let that get into their heads and couldn't decide between playing to the pitch of the ball and stifling the spin, or playing back and getting their legs out of the way of the spinning ball.

While the bats should cop as much as is coming to them, the bowlers and fielders collectively (outside of Murphy) need to as well. Just not enough pressure applied to India's bats. I was flabbergasted at India's scoring rate after the first 15-20 overs of their first innings. No sustained pressure, not enough maidens, just strike ticking over and runs scored.

Test cricket is inherently difficult, but applying pressure in the field which comes down to mindset and execution of fundamental skills repeatedly rehearsed should be something every decent team can do in all conditions. It's the first thing I'll be looking for when we come out in a few days time.

[GVGjr]

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Did that actually happen for real as practice or was he just taking the piss? I can scarcely believe it would be serious when it's so ridiculous but I'm prepared to be surprised!

It was a dodgy pitch and it was doctored by India. Let's just admit it so we can get on with also dealing with the fact our bats let that get into their heads and couldn't decide between playing to the pitch of the ball and stifling the spin, or playing back and getting their legs out of the way of the spinning ball.

While the bats should cop as much as is coming to them, the bowlers and fielders collectively (outside of Murphy) need to as well. Just not enough pressure applied to India's bats. I was flabbergasted at India's scoring rate after the first 15-20 overs of their first innings. No sustained pressure, not enough maidens, just strike ticking over and runs scored.

Test cricket is inherently difficult, but applying pressure in the field which comes down to mindset and execution of fundamental skills repeatedly rehearsed should be something every decent team can do in all conditions. It's the first thing I'll be looking for when we come out in a few days time.

There were pictures on him batting right handed in the nets and the article appeared to say that he was considering it.
If it was just a photo opportunity it's not the way it came across to me.
I also heard McDonald say how good Warner and Khawaja were with their reverse sweeps.

I think we have a coaching approach with our batsman that George Costanza would refer to as "We must not disturb the delicate genius" and rather than insist the batsman apply themselves to the task we let them bat whatever way the want.
We would rather lose than take a chance of upsetting the delicate genius.

I agree that, Murphy aside, Cummins in particular was very disappointing and Lyon not up to his best but Boland did bowl well with no luck.

[Bornadog]

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Allan Borders team

[Axe Man]

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He wants to drop Murphy and only play 1 spinner in Lyon? If Green is to play it can't be in place of a bowler. Strange team.

[Bornadog]

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He wants to drop Murphy and only play 1 spinner in Lyon? If Green is to play it can't be in place of a bowler. Strange team.

Border was a great player but.

Murphy deserves to keep his spot

[lemmon]

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Can't wait to see what our XI looks like.

Twitter reporting that Green won't play but Kuhnemann has been presented with his baggy green. Also sounds like Head will play.

I'm thinking they've gone left-field and are fielding Cummins as the sole quick.

[Bornadog]

Re: 2023 Tour of India

Australia to bat first

[Bornadog]

Re: 2023 Tour of India

Can't wait to see what our XI looks like.

Twitter reporting that Green won't play but Kuhnemann has been presented with his baggy green. Also sounds like Head will play.

I'm thinking they've gone left-field and are fielding Cummins as the sole quick.

spot on

Renshaw Boland out, Head and Kuhnemann in

[lemmon]

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I reckon we might've seen the last of Agar in Test whites if he's not getting picked. Think he's come into camp, not impressed and he's now well down the pecking order. This side is desperate for runs down the order and a left arm finger spinner, so it's telling they've still decided to go with Kuhnemann - this is the longest Australian tail that I can remember and India's lower order took the first Test away from us.

Kuhnemann won't let anyone down here. He's a very Jon Holland spinner - shorter stature bowling skiddy left armers into pads and stumps. I'm not sure he's a Test cricketer anywhere but the sub-continent, but he'll be a good performer in these conditions.

One vibe I get is they're putting a lot of credence in training performance. Andrew Wu from The Age said that Head looked really poor in the nets and it had a lot to do with him being left out of the side. Think it might be the same for how Agar is performing against the other bowlers.

[Bornadog]

Re: 2023 Tour of India

I reckon we might've seen the last of Agar in Test whites if he's not getting picked. Think he's come into camp, not impressed and he's now well down the pecking order. This side is desperate for runs down the order and a left arm finger spinner, so it's telling they've still decided to go with Kuhnemann - this is the longest Australian tail that I can remember and India's lower order took the first Test away from us.

Kuhnemann won't let anyone down here. He's a very Jon Holland spinner - shorter stature bowling skiddy left armers into pads and stumps. I'm not sure he's a Test cricketer anywhere but the sub-continent, but he'll be a good performer in these conditions.

One vibe I get is they're putting a lot of credence in training performance. Andrew Wu from The Age said that Head looked really poor in the nets and it had a lot to do with him being left out of the side. Think it might be the same for how Agar is performing against the other bowlers.

Do you ever remember a bowling line up for Australia like this?

[lemmon]

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Do you ever remember a bowling line up for Australia like this?

Nope, but I'm a bit indifferent to it. At the end of the day, we're not getting enough runs and that's the core of the issue.

I thought there were things in our fielding innings that could have been improved - Boland was underbowled, Lyon was overbowled and Murphy was used at the wrong times. But at the end of the day when you're rolled on Day 1 on a pitch that's not THAT bad, tinkering with the bowling is semantics.

The game will be won our lost on the strength of our first innings here. Smith or Marnus must get a hundred.

[Bornadog]

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Warner gets away with one

[GVGjr]

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I think Kasper was saying that the last time we went into a game with just one quick was in 98.