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  • jazzadogs
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Oct 2008
    • 5472

    Re: Tribunal / suspensions 2024

    Originally posted by Grantysghost
    If I was Melbourne I'd challenge and use a still just prior to this. I couldn't capture it however he was committed to bump prior to Moore inexplicably falling down. Be an interesting one if it is challenged!

    If he'd had accidentally made contact with his knee or something you'd have an argument...but he bumped him in the head.

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    • Bornadog
      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
      • Jan 2007
      • 65619

      Re: Tribunal / suspensions 2024

      Originally posted by Grantysghost
      My reason for not thinking that is Houston had an eternity to make a decision on a guy who was a sitting duck under a high ball.
      Pickett had to guess the taller Moore would go to ground.

      I'm still surprised with the Pickett outcome, on Houston's I thought that was spot on.

      Houston knew what he was doing would cause injury. It's like tackling someone into the fence, you know you're going to hurt them so you don't do it.

      I don't like Kosi's actions at times and the Baz one was appalling, however I think this time he's unlucky.
      I agree with you GG. Pickett very unlucky Moore went to ground
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      • Grantysghost
        Bouncing Strong
        • Apr 2010
        • 18743

        Re: Tribunal / suspensions 2024

        Originally posted by jazzadogs
        If he'd had accidentally made contact with his knee or something you'd have an argument...but he bumped him in the head.
        Yeah I think the bump to the head and the concussion is enough to suspend him under current rules.
        We probably just need to outlaw the bump.
        BT COME BACK!​

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        • jeemak
          Bulldog Legend
          • Oct 2010
          • 21432

          Re: Tribunal / suspensions 2024

          What tall player in wet weather football doesn't go to ground to force the ball forward in their general direction?

          Pickett knew Moore was going to slide in, especially given the height difference, and got him.
          TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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          • Grantysghost
            Bouncing Strong
            • Apr 2010
            • 18743

            Re: Tribunal / suspensions 2024

            Originally posted by jeemak
            What tall player in wet weather football doesn't go to ground to force the ball forward in their general direction?

            Pickett knew Moore was going to slide in, especially given the height difference, and got him.
            Interesting point Jee. I'm not sure Pickett knew he was going to slide though especially considering the slide rule which players have adapted to.

            Pickett keeps his feet, doesn't leave the ground etc.

            But, got him in the head unluckily and that's all the afl cares about.

            The path this is on, Moore who rearranged Petracca's insides with a knee to the torso won't be able to do that in future without sanction.
            BT COME BACK!​

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            • soupman
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Nov 2007
              • 5079

              Re: Tribunal / suspensions 2024

              Originally posted by bornadog
              I agree with you GG. Pickett very unlucky Moore went to ground
              How is Pickett the unlucky one?

              Moore contested the ball in a way he is allowed to (he wasn't sliding in, there was nobody to slide into), in the only way he would beat Pickett to the ball, and got a concussion for his troubles. He is the unlucky one.
              I should leave it alone but you're not right

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              • Bornadog
                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                • Jan 2007
                • 65619

                Re: Tribunal / suspensions 2024

                Originally posted by soupman
                How is Pickett the unlucky one?

                Moore contested the ball in a way he is allowed to (he wasn't sliding in, there was nobody to slide into), in the only way he would beat Pickett to the ball, and got a concussion for his troubles. He is the unlucky one.
                If Moore didn't go to ground, it would have been a shoulder bump. It all happened instantly and no way Picket would have foreseen Moore was going down low. He is unlucky to be suspended.

                Lots of things happen in footy and in this case Pickett chose to bump and cops the suspension.
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                • soupman
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 5079

                  Re: Tribunal / suspensions 2024

                  Originally posted by bornadog
                  If Moore didn't go to ground, it would have been a shoulder bump. It all happened instantly and no way Picket would have foreseen Moore was going down low. He is unlucky to be suspended.

                  Lots of things happen in footy and in this case Pickett chose to bump and cops the suspension.
                  Still Picketts responsibility to not knock him out, and again Moores action was not unreasonable nor unforeseeable. Sure Pickett may have assumed he wasn't going to do that (although with his priors knocking him out might have been intention anyway), but I'm betting the vast majority of AFL players somehow find a way to not give Moore a concussion.
                  I should leave it alone but you're not right

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                  • Grantysghost
                    Bouncing Strong
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 18743

                    Re: Tribunal / suspensions 2024

                    Originally posted by soupman
                    Still Picketts responsibility to not knock him out, and again Moores action was not unreasonable nor unforeseeable. Sure Pickett may have assumed he wasn't going to do that (although with his priors knocking him out might have been intention anyway), but I'm betting the vast majority of AFL players somehow find a way to not give Moore a concussion.
                    I think players just have to put away the bump it's no longer worth it. Margin of error too small.
                    BT COME BACK!​

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                    • The Adelaide Connection
                      Coaching Staff
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 2710

                      Re: Tribunal / suspensions 2024

                      I think Pickett is a touch unlucky.

                      BUT I am more than happy for him to pay full toll considering there are probably at least half a dozen incidents where he has either completely gotten away with being a thug, or received massive unders.

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                      • mighty_west
                        Coaching Staff
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 3377

                        Re: Tribunal / suspensions 2024

                        Whilst i also think Pickett was a bit unlucky Moore slid low causing head high contact, at the end of the day you choose to bump and get a player high, you're in trouble.

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                        • jeemak
                          Bulldog Legend
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 21432

                          Re: Tribunal / suspensions 2024

                          Originally posted by Grantysghost
                          Interesting point Jee. I'm not sure Pickett knew he was going to slide though especially considering the slide rule which players have adapted to.

                          Pickett keeps his feet, doesn't leave the ground etc.

                          But, got him in the head unluckily and that's all the afl cares about.

                          The path this is on, Moore who rearranged Petracca's insides with a knee to the torso won't be able to do that in future without sanction.
                          Asking players to go into a marking contest without a fierce knee is the next thing, and it will be easy enough for players to adjust to given that's how they mostly go up for marks (it's more efficient).

                          As for Moore going low, what would Pickett have done if he didn't slide and actually just went low head first while stretching the fark out of his hammies? That's right, he'd have still gone the bump and hit him in the head.

                          There's no outcome where Moore wasn't going to go low in that contest, Pickett went to his usual self and got him.
                          TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                          • The Pie Man
                            Coaching Staff
                            • May 2008
                            • 3497

                            Re: Tribunal / suspensions 2024

                            All Pickett had to do was go low for the ball, or if he was certain he wasn’t going to be first to it, prepare to tackle - he did neither.

                            The bump probably is on life support, but a tackle there is both reasonable and a heavy/physical contest for the spectator.

                            What amused me was how badly wrong the Fox Footy crew got the potential for sanction in the wash up.
                            Float Along - Fill Your Lungs

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                            • Grantysghost
                              Bouncing Strong
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 18743

                              Re: Tribunal / suspensions 2024

                              Demons are challenging. They had to it's such a strange decision.
                              BT COME BACK!​

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                              • jazzadogs
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Oct 2008
                                • 5472

                                Re: Tribunal / suspensions 2024

                                Originally posted by Grantysghost
                                Demons are challenging. They had to it's such a strange decision.
                                The only way the bump is appropriate is if Moore kicks it off the ground. Given that would have been a 99% chance of being an insufficient intent free, he was never kicking it off the ground. He was always going to either bend down to pick it up (don't bump in the head!!) or drop down to pick it up (don't bump him in the head!!).

                                The bump was not an appropriate choice. He chose to bump, collected his opponent high and concussed him. They have no grounds to challenge.

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