ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

[1eyedog]

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Maybe line them up for a public stoning. We could use little stones so they'll still be able to play in 4-6 weeks and every other member from every other team goes in a raffle for a handful of stones. That should sate the rest of us who have had to put up with this debacle for the past 2 years. Talk about dragging a club through the mud. If I was a Madden or a Daniher I would have strung Hird up by now.

[Twodogs]

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No surprise, but I doubt Hird is capable of being told no. I'm sure Robbo will be frantically mashing out some incoherent waffle declaring Hird has strong legal advice that his appeal to the International Appeals Court will be successful.

Can Australians still appeal to the Privy Council?

[bulldogtragic]

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Can Australians still appeal to the Privy Council?

No. The offence must be prior to the change (prior 78 I think). But at the rate of some society changes, perhaps James could lobby the government to re-introduce appeal to the PC.

[Twodogs]

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No. The offence must be prior to the change (prior 78 I think). But at the rate of some society changes, perhaps James could lobby the government to re-introduce appeal to the PC.

Later I think. I'm pretty sure The first Hawke Ministry got rid of that avenue of appeal in '83/84. Fraser was in in 1978. I wouldn't think he would break a link with the Old Country when he was PM. No matter how Bolshie he has gotten in his autumn years..

[bulldogtragic]

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Later I think. I'm pretty sure The first Hawke Ministry got rid of that avenue of appeal in '83/84. Fraser was in in 1978. I wouldn't think he would break a link with the Old Country when he was PM. No matter how Bolshie he has gotten in his autumn years..

That sounds more about right on the abolition date, I probably should've paid more attention in law 101. But the good news is the new Australia Sir Phillip could broker a new arrangement. To the thread, I'm sure The Hague are bored of war crime trials and complex international matters of human rights violations. Hird seems to think he's in the latter category.

More interesting maybe, he had costs awarded against him. I can't see he and Tania agreeing to write a cheque for massive dollars to ASADA. This is the thing to watch for mine.

[jeemak]

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That sounds more about right on the abolition date, I probably should've paid more attention in law 101. But the good news is the new Australia Sir Phillip could broker a new arrangement. To the thread, I'm sure The Hague are bored of war crime trials and complex international matters of human rights violations. Hird seems to think he's in the latter category.

More interesting maybe, he had costs awarded against him. I can't see he and Tania agreeing to write a cheque for massive dollars to ASADA. This is the thing to watch for mine.

Is there an indemnity rich folk can pay for through insurance to cover costs of litigation if it immediately relates to their field of employment or their livelihood?

[bulldogtragic]

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Is there an indemnity rich folk can pay for through insurance to cover costs of litigation if it immediately relates to their field of employment or their livelihood?

If he had insurance to cover it, possibly. But I imagine no insurer would give him it. What he could do legitimately is claim all legal fees and costs necessary to his ability to earn income and then claim it as a tax deduction (us normal folk claim kms, accountancy, training etc). Which is common practice in matters of employment related legal fights, although I'm not sure about legal costs, my educated and confident guess is it's covered. So something like $1,500,000 wages in the financial year. Claims $500,000 legal fees as a cost to earn income. At 45% the top MTR. So he reduces his tax to the Fed Govt by nearly $250,000. If the ATO don't query it the taxpayer has virtually paid half his legal bills.

My guess is Essendon may have paid him his year lump sum as an ETP to reduce his tax (capped at $180,000). Then I imagine his accountants salary sacrifice and dump cash into SMSF with all being tax deductible advices too. Ensure any tax losses, depreciation through his alledgly vast real estate interests are in play, workout family trust grouping losses come in too, claim all his French MBA training and travel, costs of PR consultants, travel and home office costs while forced away from his regular workplace etc, etc... Go out and get some losses through shares or RE etc.

We will probably pay more tax than him this year.

[jeemak]

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I'd expect that if he was managing a player group he would have the insurance to cover it. I know I would if I was leading up an organisation where my decisions affect the physical and emotional competence of my employees to the extent a senior AFL coach does. Sure, there's going to be a point where there's a gap not covered, and Hird would have well and truly breached that.

It might also explain why he's willing to burn a shitload of cash on lawyers, especially if you consider the factors you've mentioned above.

[bulldogtragic]

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I'd expect that if he was managing a player group he would have the insurance to cover it. I know I would if I was leading up an organisation where my decisions affect the physical and emotional competence of my employees to the extent a senior AFL coach does. Sure, there's going to be a point where there's a gap not covered, and Hird would have well and truly breached that.

It might also explain why he's willing to burn a shitload of cash on lawyers, especially if you consider the factors you've mentioned above.

If he's under a few written advices from Tax Law QC's saying he's covered by the General deduction as above, then it does explain it from a cash point of view. If he wins, he wins, if he losses and gets costs of $250,000 to ASaDA then he gets a $250,000 tax break, so it's a nil end sum game on dollars.

[jeemak]

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Yeah, I think his current legal bill would be well in excess of $1.5m.

ASADA's costs would be close to that as well, and then court costs (which you'd probably know more about being the renegade that you are ) probably tip it over $2m.

As it's the final straw for his reputation in all forms of business I can understand him putting everything into it, but not to the extent that it would completely break him financially. Whilst he's no doubt likely to be asset rich, he doesn't strike me as someone willing to give up on those assets and the life that comes with them, furthermore, I don't see him not being leveraged to the point where he has a cool $2.5m in cash sitting around to spend on legal fees.

[hujsh]

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Yeah, I think his current legal bill would be well in excess of $1.5m.

ASADA's costs would be close to that as well, and then court costs (which you'd probably know more about being the renegade that you are ) probably tip it over $2m.

As it's the final straw for his reputation in all forms of business I can understand him putting everything into it, but not to the extent that it would completely break him financially. Whilst he's no doubt likely to be asset rich, he doesn't strike me as someone willing to give up on those assets and the life that comes with them, furthermore, I don't see him not being leveraged to the point where he has a cool $2.5m in cash sitting around to spend on legal fees.

Maybe for legitimate businesses but give it about 5 years and he'll be back in the footy media and everyone will have forgotten all about it.

[Topdog]

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No surprise, but I doubt Hird is capable of being told no. I'm sure Robbo will be frantically mashing out some incoherent waffle declaring Hird has strong legal advice that his appeal to the International Appeals Court will be successful.

Thats very harsh on Robbo and you really shouldn't jump to conclusions.

He actually starts with a reference to The Castle, then compares the court case to a tennis match, tells us that Hird is standing up for the little people and reminds us that the Essendon players are probably innocent and the AFL have no case. And you only want Hird sacked because you are angry, not because you believe he has ruined the reputation not only of EFC but also the AFL and all those associated with it.

Suggest not reading if you are in a grumpy mood

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-considering-high-court-action-seems-staggering-but-its-not-about-money-for-essendon-coach-writes-mark-robinson/story-fndv7pj3-1227202676160

[jeemak]

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After reading that article I've just returned from a post festival induced hallucination that involved Robbo in a skirt waving pom poms around the place, chanting "Hirdy...Hirdy...Hirdy".

I need to lie down and collect my thoughts.

[Twodogs]

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After reading that article I've just returned from a post festival induced hallucination that involved Robbo in a skirt waving pom poms around the place, chanting "Hirdy...Hirdy...Hirdy".

I need to lie down and collect my thoughts.

Is that with the beard and all?

[Happy Days]

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Thats very harsh on Robbo and you really shouldn't jump to conclusions.

He actually starts with a reference to The Castle, then compares the court case to a tennis match, tells us that Hird is standing up for the little people and reminds us that the Essendon players are probably innocent and the AFL have no case. And you only want Hird sacked because you are angry, not because you believe he has ruined the reputation not only of EFC but also the AFL and all those associated with it.

Suggest not reading if you are in a grumpy mood
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/jam...-1227202676160

What a top bloke, wouldn't you just love to have a beer with him?