ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

[Twodogs]

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I think the potential civil litigation in years to come is just as much in Hird's mind (and EFC's) as is his reputation, which is largely shredded beyond repair.

Agree that the industry is forgiving and whatever happens he will likely still find employment in a few years time. It's a bit like a big boy's club IMO.

I cannot understand why players who have left EFC have not taken opportunity to co-operate early with ASADA. Perhaps they will be let off lightly or even found not guilty and my interpretation of information released is wrong.

Spot on josie. This court action is being taken to mitigate future civil suits I reckon.

And the AFL is a big boys club. Hird would find employment in it in the future. Although quite a few faces have been banished already over this I couldn't see Hird dropping from the scene.

[westdog54]

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I think the potential civil litigation in years to come is just as much in Hird's mind (and EFC's) as is his reputation, which is largely shredded beyond repair.

Agree that the industry is forgiving and whatever happens he will likely still find employment in a few years time. It's a bit like a big boy's club IMO.

I cannot understand why players who have left EFC have not taken opportunity to co-operate early with ASADA. Perhaps they will be let off lightly or even found not guilty and my interpretation of information released is wrong.

Most of the delisted or traded players would still have mates at the club who they wouldn't want to screw over.

[josie]

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G'day Westdog54 - that could be it. Pity though, as I reckon they could stay mates and also recognise the decisions they made back in '12 were bad ones. The power of peer pressure/group think is unfortunately partly what allowed them to get into this mess in the first place.

[1eyedog]

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Most of the delisted or traded players would still have mates at the club who they wouldn't want to screw over.

Kinda besides the point. We have both a duty of care to Crameri as well as an obligation to the club and all it's members to reduce as much risk on this as possible. Macca should have advised Crameri to come out especially considering he was across the whole situation. I understand the brothers in arms argument but we could / probably will lose a very good player for a year, two years when, as Josie suggests, he may have been reprimanded or just served 6 months which would / could have already been served. As it is we risk losing him for an extended time which, because he is such a good player, will adversely affect the club. If we lose him for 2 years for instance I as a paying member will be gutted. We are running a multi-million dollar business not a game show that seeks to hold on to as many mates as possible.

[Bornadog]

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Bulldogs players break ranks in ASADA case


A stunning split has emerged among the ranks of the 34 former and current Essendon players charged with being administered a banned peptide.

At a directions hearing before the AFL's anti-doping tribunal chairman David Jones, former County court judge John Nixon and barrister Wayne Henwood, a former AFL player, on Tuesday night at AFL House, it emerged lawyers acting for two former Bombers, Stewart Crameri and Brent Prismall, who are now with the Western Bulldogs, were happy for the tribunal hearing to be open to the media - and therefore relayed to the public.

However, lawyers for the remaining 32 players, and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, have argued otherwise, declaring confidentiality is an issue. Potential defamation issues were also raised in terms of having an open hearing.
A hearing date has been tentatively set for December 15.

Lawyers David Harlows and Sam Norton, acting for the Bulldogs players under criminal lawyer Rob Stary, said they understood the strong public interest in the case and, if appropriate constraints were placed on journalists, then they would not oppose a public hearing.
Jones said a decision on media access would not be made until further submissions were assessed this week.
Journalists were only allowed in to hear submissions regarding whether the tribunal hearing should be open, and were then removed from the room when other issues were discussed.

Lawyer Jeff Gleeson QC, acting for the AFL, said there was "profound public interest in this matter" and, as "much of the process" to date had been "plagued by misinformation", the hearing should be open to the media.
Media lawyer Justin Quill said there had been an "enormous amount of speculation, rumour and innuendo" through the 21-month saga and a closed hearing "will only perpetuate the myths and untruths that have occurred".

Lawyers for the remaining 32 players, however, said an opening hearing would "trample on the rights given to players under the WADA code" and cited confidentiality issues.
ASADA lawyer Ben Ihle said as evidence had been given in private through the investigation, the hearing should also be conducted in that manner.

The directions hearing also considered matters relating to Stephen Dank, the architect of the Bombers' 2012 supplements program. Dank, who like the 34 current and former Essendon players has been handed an infraction notice, has been ordered to appear before the tribunal but the AFL cannot compel him to attend.
In a statement released on Tuesday night, the AFL said: "The tribunal considered a number of matters and heard submissions from representatives of the various parties and a representative of several media organisations.
"It will give consideration to submissions on whether or not any hearing/s will be held in-camera or be open to media; the tribunal will provide reasons for its decision in due course.

"The tribunal also heard submissions on the proposed conduct of the hearing/s and has encouraged the parties to continue to work together to narrow the scope of potential issues.
"The tribunal will meet again on 8 December 2014 to finalise procedural matters.
"A hearing date has been tentatively set for 15 December 2014."

Link here

[FrediKanoute]

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Well, well, well......this is a good thing, the Doggies guys splitting from the Bombers players, even if it is symbolic.

[Ghost Dog]

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Lucky to have Peter Gordon, legal Bulldog, in our corner during these proceedings.

[Remi Moses]

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If Essendon can get in replacements for their suspended players, are we allowed someone for Stewie?

[Go_Dogs]

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So, have the names the other 32 players bee released, or just Crameri and Prismall?

[azabob]

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So, have the names the other 32 players bee released, or just Crameri and Prismall?

I don't think it's rocket science to figure out the players.

[soupman]

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If Essendon can get in replacements for their suspended players, are we allowed someone for Stewie?

This is actually a really good question.

I guess it depends on just how much Essendon is permitted to replensih their squad. If they are allowed to bring it back to its full allocation, ie. 38+4, then we should have the same right to replace Crameri. Alternatively if they are only allowed to bring in enough to give them a limited squad of say 35 then we wouldn't be able to.

[Bulldog Joe]

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This is actually a really good question.

I guess it depends on just how much Essendon is permitted to replensih their squad. If they are allowed to bring it back to its full allocation, ie. 38+4, then we should have the same right to replace Crameri. Alternatively if they are only allowed to bring in enough to give them a limited squad of say 35 then we wouldn't be able to.

Surely any mitigation for clubs will be an across the board approach.
Port Adelaide will also have the same issues with Ryder and Monfries, which actually has them potentially more impacted than us.

If Essendon are unable to draft in to replace suspended players they would have some sort of pre-season draft and all clubs should enter that to replenish players lost through the process. There cannot be a special rule for Essendon alone.

[Go_Dogs]

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I don't think it's rocket science to figure out the players.

Don't disagree, just interesting the HS chose to name them. The AFL website didn't.

[Throughandthrough]

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Don't disagree, just interesting the HS chose to name them. The AFL website didn't.

Is Sam Lonergan on the list?

[GVGjr]

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A lot of people in the media are now saying that ASADA case may not have enough evidence to proceed.
How does this happen?