ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

[Throughandthrough]

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whether it's WADA or 25 years from now. surely someone somewhere will drop a bomb on all this one day with a deathbed confession! (or a desperate attempt to make money by selling their story)

[jeemak]

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M

I think you need to reread the post from Webby on the previous page Jeemak

I understood his post perfectly, thought it was well put together and I appreciate his point of view. I'm just not too confident the evidence, admissible or otherwise will stack up.

[Rocket Science]

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Circa The Age...

WADA appeal not a 're-investigation' of our case: Essendon CEO

Essendon chief executive Xavier Campbell says the club "sees no reason" why it shouldn't maintain its confidence in a positive outcome for its players going into the appeal process ignited by the World Anti-Doping Agency.

Campbell said WADA would not be "re-investigating" the supplements program that saw 34 of its past and present players receive show-cause notices, rather that the anti-doping body was simply re-prosecuting a case that had already fallen short at the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal.

"They're not going out and looking for further evidence," Campbell said.

"This is effectively a re-prosecution of the same evidence by a different body under the same rules that were applied by the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal," he said.

"We felt comfortable going in to the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal based on the evidence that was at hand. There is no reason why we shouldn't still feel comfortable at this point in time as well."

WADA is set outline its legal arguments for the appeal to the Court of Arbitration of Sport in the coming days, and then the Bombers will have 30 days to respond.

There is a strong possibility the matter could be heard by a CAS court in Switzerland, however Campbell said the location was unlikely to be established until all parties convene for a directions hearing.

"The player's preference and the players lawyers' preference would be to have it here," Campbell said.

"It won't make any difference to the way the case is heard," he said.

"I have full confidence in the process and integrity of those enlisted with the responsibility to oversee this matter."

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Wishful thinking or more wilful, arse-faced arrogance?

Let's see if that quote in conclusion endures...

[Twodogs]

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He's right WADA don't carry out an investigation. They represent the evidence that ASADA presented.

[comrade]

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He's right WADA don't carry out an investigation. They represent the evidence that ASADA presented.

But they're not presenting it to a body that has a vested interest in finding a not guilty verdict. Massive difference.

[Twodogs]

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But they're not presenting it to a body that has a vested interest in finding a not guilty verdict. Massive difference.

I'm not getting my hopes up. Unless they can compell the three to testify I can only see another finding of comfortably numb or whatever the made level of proof is.

[Rocket Science]

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But they're not presenting it to a body that has a vested interest in finding a not guilty verdict. Massive difference.

Indeed. Thankfully, WADAs interest in the outcome this time around - and their approach forthwith - differs dramatically from that of the AFL.

[LostDoggy]

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I think WADA's motives for running this lean more towards ensuring that this doesn't become a more widely adopted practice in world sport. Lance Armstrong had already been found guilty and penalised at the time that the Essendon saga was put in place by Danks. So it's almost safe to assume that when setting up the drug program, Danks, Charter, Hird et al would've made sure they ticked the boxes Armstrong failed to cover. This is the timeless challenge to all enforcement agencies: they are by very definition always a step behind those who seek to step outside the law/rules. Those in other sports need only look to Essendon's case to see a very handy template to avoiding penalty — a complete lack of records in evidence, and witnesses united in their refusal to testify.

Until the rules are changed to put the onus of proof on players to prove they are innocent, instead of the other way around, they'll forever play catch up ball.

[ledge]

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But that is WADAs rules , the athlete is responsible for what goes in their body.
If they can't they are gone, I can't see how the players can get out of it unless they have documents of what they took , where and when.
Sadly WADA chases the athlete individually not the club , so the players will cop it.

[Bornadog]

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But that is WADAs rules , the athlete is responsible for what goes in their body.
If they can't they are gone, I can't see how the players can get out of it unless they have documents of what they took , where and when.
Sadly WADA chases the athlete individually not the club , so the players will cop it.

Therefore WADA has to prove player by player that they injected a banned substance into their system. Where is the evidence by player?

I still think that WADA will find it very difficult to prove, unless the person doing the injecting gives up evidence or the player admits it..

[Greystache]

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All, cool your jets and go back 20 pages.

We're rewriting the same things we wrote prior to the ASADA process coming together, and ultimately failing.

From an evidence perspective I can't see how a lot has changed. Let's wait and see, though I think this will go down as an ultimately important and necessary process for the AFL and EFC to endure, it will be a fruitless one from a penal perspective.

I don't think anybody thinks it's a formality that WADA will win. Rather it's just more of a case that it's not a formality they will lose, unlike what ASADA faced with the AFL tribunal hearing.

[Sedat]

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I don't think anybody thinks it's a formality that WADA will win. Rather it's just more of a case that it's not a formality they will lose, unlike what ASADA faced with the AFL tribunal hearing.

Yep, the ''comfortable satisfaction'' criteria was taken to the nth degree by the AFL tribunal. We know definitively that:

- Charter sourced TB4 from China
- Contents of TB4 arrived at the Alavi's lab and were compounded.
- TB4 arrived at EFC
- Invoice for TB4 was paid for by EFC
- Players signed forms with Thymosin written on them
- Players injection procedure 100% consistent with Charter's instructions for how to administer TB4

I suspect that ''comfortable satisfaction'' would not have been reached by the AFL tribunal unless the players were caught with needles in their arm with the TB4 written on them.

[Sedat]

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http://www.news.com.au/national/dean-robinson-key-figure-in-essendon-supplements-scandal-lands-top-job-with-kpmg/story-e6frfkp9-1227364221641

And just to add some more stink to the AFL - they are so brazen they don't even try to hide their underhanded activities any more. They are bordering on FIFA levels of corruption.

[boydogs]

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- Players signed forms with Thymosin written on them

The argument being they took a different type of Thymosin, and the TB4 was for someone else. As Essendon somehow managed to go through the entire 2012 season without any player being drug tested (!!) before coming clean about their injections in Feb 2013, it's difficult to prove what they took

I thought the case was stronger for AOD-9604, as it's something they admitted to taking

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asadas-delay-in-taking-aod9604-off-the-table-disappoints-players-20140618-zsdqk.html

[LostDoggy]

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http://www.news.com.au/national/dean...-1227364221641

And just to add some more stink to the AFL - they are so brazen they don't even try to hide their underhanded activities any more. They are bordering on FIFA levels of corruption.

KPMG are the auditors for so many businesses that it would be hard to prove corruption in this case. It simply appears that he used the settlement cash to pay for his MBA and set about earning the appointment.