Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

**AndrewP6** · 08-09-2011, 02:02 PM

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Originally posted by bornadog

Rocket said last week he and Lake get along well and what you read is a load of rubbish.

On this forum, we have about 600 posts bagging Ward for leaving us, not being loyal etc etc, yet some posters want to move Lake on. Lake has been an AA Fullback for the last two years and because he was injured we all want to get rid of him.

Not all of us

**1eyedog** · 08-09-2011, 02:07 PM

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Originally posted by bornadog

Rocket said last week he and Lake get along well and what you read is a load of rubbish.

On this forum, we have about 600 posts bagging Ward for leaving us, not being loyal etc etc, yet some posters want to move Lake on. Lake has been an AA Fullback for the last two years and because he was injured we all want to get rid of him.

The statement below was posted on another thread by a WOOFER two months ago and it is straight from Ricky O's mouth.

Now I'm confused because either Rocket, Lake or Ricky O are telling Porkies.

Did anyone hear Ricky interviewed by Watson on SEN this morning?

Asked whether the Lake situation is a) Injury b) personal issue or c) issue with the coach, Ricky replied 'probably a combo there Tim'

**Sedat** · 08-09-2011, 02:21 PM

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Originally posted by bornadog

On this forum, we have about 600 posts bagging Ward for leaving us, not being loyal etc etc, yet some posters want to move Lake on. Lake has been an AA Fullback for the last two years and because he was injured we all want to get rid of him.

Many factors to be considered with Lake, such as how career threatening are his injuries, and where is his head space at. No doubts that a fit, in form and mentally happy Lake is a prodigious talent. Also no doubts that an underdone and unhappy Lake is a liability as an AFL footballer. Which one will turn up in 2012? Will be be motivated knowing that a premiership is beyond his remaining career, to which we should seriously look at cashing in while his worth remains high (which it still will be for several clubs in need of defensive bolstering)

**anfo27** · 08-09-2011, 05:16 PM

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Originally posted by Hobdog

Why do people keep throwing Lake up as a potential trade? The guy had three big operations in the pre-season and possibly wasn't managed well. A lot of players struggle after one operation let alone three. Ok, if he has another stinker of a year I'll stand corrected but I fail to believe that the premier defender in the comp would drop off that badly and never come good again.

Its more about where we are right now as a club. Some posters out there believe we should be looking to rebuild as our window seems to be now closed. If that is the case then the club needs to at least consider trading away a Lake. We need to look at what will make the club better down the road and if thats getting some very nice pieces from a GWS or Gold Coast for Lake then we need to seriously consider it. But from what Smorgan said about needing a refresh it sounds like they believe we're not that far away and in that case Lake won't be going anywhere.

If Lake has another stiner next year then his value would have more than halved.

I remember havng a conversation with a Carlton supporter the year Whitnal won the B&F and Fevola won the Coleman and they also finished dead last. I said 'would you consider trading both players and loading up on first round draft picks', he said 'they were their best 2 players and i was crazy', I replied with 'well both players would be at their highest value now and even with those 2 players you guys are still last now'. A year later Whitnal retired and we all know what happened to Fev. A vast majority of people would still think thats stupid but deals like this get done at every trade deadline in the US.

**GVGjr** · 08-09-2011, 05:27 PM

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Originally posted by anfo27

Its more about where we are right now as a club. Some posters out there believe we should be looking to rebuild as our window seems to be now closed. If that is the case then the club needs to at least consider trading away a Lake. We need to look at what will make the club better down the road and if thats getting some very nice pieces from a GWS or Gold Coast for Lake then we need to seriously consider it. But from what Smorgan said about needing a refresh it sounds like they believe we're not that far away and in that case Lake won't be going anywhere.
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There is some merit in having that line of thought but we are only 2 years into a 4 year deal we signed with Lake and I'm not sure that we should be backing out of it so quickly based on one injury ridden season.
If I was the new coach I would ask every player including Brian if they want to be at the club or if they want to be traded. If Brian says his heart isn't in then I would explore a fair trade for him

I can't imagine any new coach wanting to lose a player of his ability so any suggestion that we should trade him is highly speculative from my way of thinking. He has a contract and if he really wants to stay then I'd keep him.

**anfo27** · 08-09-2011, 05:41 PM

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Originally posted by GVGjr

There is some merit in having that line of thought but we are only 2 years into a 4 year deal we signed with Lake and I'm not sure that we should be backing out of it so quickly based on one injury ridden season.
If I was the new coach I would ask every player including Brian if they want to be at the club or if they want to be traded. If Brian says his heart isn't in then I would explore a fair trade for him

I can't imagine any new coach wanting to lose a player of his ability so any suggestion that we should trade him is highly speculative from my way of thinking. He has a contract and if he really wants to stay then I'd keep him.

Its got nothing to do with Brian being injured this year. Again its more the position of where our club is at.

**GVGjr** · 08-09-2011, 05:50 PM

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Originally posted by anfo27

Its got nothing to do with Brian being injured this year. Again its more the position of where our club is at.

As you would be aware there needs to be 3 parties agreement before a player can be traded assuming the club wants to trade a player.
The player has to agree, a new club has to be found and the compensation needs to be accepted.

I think your view on this is simplistic to say the least. All Brian has to do is say no thanks to the suggestion that he be traded and the position of where the club is at is rendered irrelevant.

**LongWait** · 08-09-2011, 06:08 PM

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Originally posted by bornadog

Rocket said last week he and Lake get along well and what you read is a load of rubbish.
On this forum, we have about 600 posts bagging Ward for leaving us, not being loyal etc etc, yet some posters want to move Lake on. Lake has been an AA Fullback for the last two years and because he was injured we all want to get rid of him.

What did you expect that Rocket would say? "Lake is a gun but struggled with his injuries this season and was sick to death of me humiliating him, so he spat the dummy and chose to opt out this year. My bad .... sorry!"

Lake's manager was talking about a trade a few months ago. If Lake wants out and we can get good value in a trade it's bye bye Brian as far as I'm concerned.

**ledge** · 08-09-2011, 06:27 PM

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Does Lake want out?

**Bornadog** · 08-09-2011, 07:36 PM

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Originally posted by LongWait

What did you expect that Rocket would say? "Lake is a gun but struggled with his injuries this season and was sick to death of me humiliating him, so he spat the dummy and chose to opt out this year. My bad .... sorry!"

Lake's manager was talking about a trade a few months ago. If Lake wants out and we can get good value in a trade it's bye bye Brian as far as I'm concerned.

It was a personal conversation at a private dinner and he was being frank and honest. It was not a media thing.

**1eyedog** · 08-09-2011, 07:48 PM

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Originally posted by bornadog

It was a personal conversation at a private dinner and he was being frank and honest. It was not a media thing.

Regardless, what did you think he was going to say when questioned about this? Tell me something then, how many people did Rocket actually rat on that night? One, two? None?

**Guest** · 08-09-2011, 08:14 PM

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Originally posted by ledge

Does Lake want out?

I think you will find that it is the club that wants Lake out.

**stefoid** · 08-09-2011, 08:26 PM

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

I just enjoy watching him play. I hope he stays.

**Bornadog** · 08-09-2011, 09:44 PM

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Originally posted by 1eyedog

Regardless, what did you think he was going to say when questioned about this? Tell me something then, how many people did Rocket actually rat on that night? One, two? None?

As I said, he was honest and frank and we will leave it at that.

**Missing Dog** · 08-09-2011, 10:13 PM

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

I can't help but to laugh, when a club or fans choose to move on a player whether by trade or delisting for whatever reason they call it list management but essentially their looking after they're own long term future yet when a player makes the same decision they're called every name under the sun. Loyalty is a two way street, don't expect it in return if you're not prepared to offer it in the first place.

We don't really have anything to gain by moving on Lake as we will not receive adequate compensation due to his poor season, doubts on whether he can return to his best and his inflated salary. The only way we would entertain the thought of moving him on is if Lake himself demanded a trade and even then a new coach would most likely attempt to change his mind aka Eade with Gilbee when he took over.

The club seems to be in a position where they don't see a need to completely re-build the list so I don't see why they would want to trade one of our few match winners away for under market value. Likewise a new coach coming in would prefer to back himself in and try to rejuvenate a former All Australian than try his hand in a compromised draft.

The only other reason would be long term injury which if that is the case other clubs would also have access to his medical files and place him further on the nose as a prospective recruit.

By the same logic of some that are prepared to ship out Lake for a set of steak knives why aren't those same people throwing Cooney's name out, he has admitted he will have to continually manage his knee, regularly miss games and his manager has declared he will most likely never be the same player he once was. What is the difference in their situations?

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