Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

OUTS
Mulligan
Stack
Prato
Hahn
Hall
Hooper
Moles
Addison
Hargrave
Gilbee
Hudson
Ward

TRADES
J.Hill
Reid

If Shaggy can get himself right, I think he can be of some use.

Moles I have not seen much of at Willy. how's he been going?

the kinds of errors he has made on game day are not things you couldn't correct, IMO. Does some good things.
Remember one particular running goal in Canberra. Just needs a bit more game time I reckon. He's not slow.

Stack will still give us some reasonable service as well IMO.

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[QUOTE=bc013;239314]I don't know why we didn't continue with Gilbee in the FP.
IIRC he was dropped 2 weeks after kicking a bag of goals...

Might be a spot to try him back in next year where his exceptional kicking might slot some handy goals?[/QUOTE]

Thought the same thing myself.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

If Shaggy can get himself right, I think he can be of some use.

Moles I have not seen much of at Willy. how's he been going?

the kinds of errors he has made on game day are not things you couldn't correct, IMO. Does some good things.
Remember one particular running goal in Canberra. Just needs a bit more game time I reckon. He's not slow.

Stack will still give us some reasonable service as well IMO.

Stack is completely worth keeping IMO
Moles did his shoulder in training while he was still playing for the dogs, they carried him until round 17 when they LTI'd him for Dalhouse, so he never went back down to Willy. He looked good before he got injured and should stay on

[LostDoggy]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Do we even get 12 picks?

You will have to spread these cuts over two years but in reality these guys are gone, going, or pushing shit up hill to get a game.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[QUOTE=Bulldog4life;239326]

I don't know why we didn't continue with Gilbee in the FP.
IIRC he was dropped 2 weeks after kicking a bag of goals...

Might be a spot to try him back in next year where his exceptional kicking might slot some handy goals?[/QUOTE]

Thought the same thing myself.

Thinking the same thing!
Does anyone think Gilbee could reinvent himself ala Mark Nickoski

[1eyedog]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Not really. His bag was against a Richmond team that paid him no respect. The week after he did absolutely nothing and was dropped.

He needs to ask himself a few questions about attacking the contest and what he can do in terms of forward pressure before I would move him into a forward line consisting of Grant, Gia and potentially Higgins.

Nickoski is fit and works his arse off.

[anfo27]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Can't see us making wholesale changes to the list when realistically its a very shallow draft and the new coach might want to see what he can get out of some of those players. Also I can't see us paying players out to delist them for an extra pick in this draft when we can just let them see their contract out and then delist them and load up on the stacked draft the year after. I reckon we will go with 5 picks max in this draft.
The new coach could look at Gilbee and think he is someone that he can still get something out of and Lindsay would think this would be his last chance at a good paying contract so i can't see him giving that up. Hopefully the new coach can do something with him cause the last 18 months he has been dreadful.
Can't understand the calls for Barlow to be promoted when he has done exactly what we wanted him to do as a mature age rookie. He deserves another year as a rookie and no more.
Higgins can be shopped around and can't remember a player thats diappointed me so much. Another year like his last 2 and he will have no value left. Maybe send Higgins & Lake to GWS for that gun O'Mera kid of whatever his name is.

Retire/gone: Hall, Hudson, Hahn, Ward and maybe Hargrave if his body isn't up for it
Delist: Mulligan, Stack, Prato & maybe Addison
Trade: Reid, maybe Higgins maybe Lake and maybe anyone else who has some real currency that we could get a deal too good to refuse.
Upgrade the Dollhouse; keep Panos, Barlow & Johannissen on the rookie list for another year.

[GVGjr]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Can't see us making wholesale changes to the list when realistically its a very shallow draft and the new coach might want to see what he can get out of some of those players. Also I can't see us paying players out to delist them for an extra pick in this draft when we can just let them see their contract out and then delist them and load up on the stacked draft the year after.

The only problem with this though is that leading into the compromised drafts we weren't active enough with changing our list

2008 - Cordy (FS) Roughead and Jones
2009 - Howard, Tutt, Markovic and Thorne
2010* - Wallis (FS) Libertore (FS), Schofield, Skinner and T Hill.

Granted we did OK getting in 2010 by also getting Dahlhaus and but we have hardly mapped this out correctly and I don't think we can keep waiting.

I think we have to back our ability at the draft table and add some pace and height to the list.

[anfo27]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

The only problem with this though is that leading into the compromised drafts we weren't active enough with changing our list

2008 - Cordy (FS) Roughead and Jones
2009 - Howard, Tutt, Markovic and Thorne
2010* - Wallis (FS) Libertore (FS), Schofield, Skinner and T Hill.

Granted we did OK getting in 2010 by also getting Dahlhaus and but we have hardly mapped this out correctly and I don't think we can keep waiting.

I think we have to back our ability at the draft table and add some pace and height to the list.

I agree that we definately should have made some more cuts to the list the last 2-3 years.
I would also like to make some big cuts this year but we have made some errors with contracts that will cost us money and will those kids be there in the draft if we go in there with 6,7 or 8 picks?
By the sounds of things we won't even get a top quality kid with our first pick this year.

[BulldogBelle]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

The only problem with this though is that leading into the compromised drafts we weren't active enough with changing our list

2008 - Cordy (FS) Roughead and Jones
2009 - Howard, Tutt, Markovic and Thorne
2010* - Wallis (FS) Libertore (FS), Schofield, Skinner and T Hill.

Granted we did OK getting in 2010 by also getting Dahlhaus and but we have hardly mapped this out correctly and I don't think we can keep waiting.

I think we have to back our ability at the draft table and add some pace and height to the list.

If I look at the above names (2008 to 2010) we have had more hits than misses...Thorne at this stage has been the only major miss

I think we have to back our ability at the draft table and add some pace and height to the list.

We have to make some hard decisions NOW on some players who probably wont be there (or probably wont make a difference) when we are going to be bona fide finals contenders from 2014 to 2017 - and try for some potential quality with later draft picks - similar to what we have done with Tutt + Schofield

Providing they have the tank, some young + quick + skillful outside mids that we recruit now should be able to play games in 2012 - to play an outside role they dont need to be superstrong 100kg monsters

Our FF, FB and CHB (given the problems that Williams has staying on the field) are the positions that will be the most challenging to fill in this off season




All up, 132 players have made their debut this season, just 10 fewer than in 1987. The Suns, Brisbane Lions (11), Western Bulldogs (10) and St Kilda (eight) head the list.

Given the above, there will be sunshine after the storm

[The Doctor]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

The only problem with this though is that leading into the compromised drafts we weren't active enough with changing our list

2008 - Cordy (FS) Roughead and Jones
2009 - Howard, Tutt, Markovic and Thorne

I couldn't agree more.

We should have recruited more in both drafts. 2008 was a strong draft & we only took 3 picks all inside the first 2 rounds. We were fed the spin at the time that there wasn't much left later on.

Going into the 2009 draft we went in knowing Aker and Eagle would be retained when the whole world, except our football dept, knew they were finished. I also argued at the time that Brad Johnson should have been retired.

Another say 3 picks out of these 2 draft which might have netted us some decent players like Alex Silvagni or Michael Barlow et al and we would be in a stronger position to rebound.

[ledge]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Easy in hindsight isnt it.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Can't see us making wholesale changes to the list when realistically its a very shallow draft and the new coach might want to see what he can get out of some of those players. Also I can't see us paying players out to delist them for an extra pick in this draft when we can just let them see their contract out and then delist them and load up on the stacked draft the year after. I reckon we will go with 5 picks max in this draft.
The new coach could look at Gilbee and think he is someone that he can still get something out of and Lindsay would think this would be his last chance at a good paying contract so i can't see him giving that up. Hopefully the new coach can do something with him cause the last 18 months he has been dreadful.
Can't understand the calls for Barlow to be promoted when he has done exactly what we wanted him to do as a mature age rookie. He deserves another year as a rookie and no more.
Higgins can be shopped around and can't remember a player thats diappointed me so much. Another year like his last 2 and he will have no value left. Maybe send Higgins & Lake to GWS for that gun O'Mera kid of whatever his name is.

Retire/gone: Hall, Hudson, Hahn, Ward and maybe Hargrave if his body isn't up for it
Delist: Mulligan, Stack, Prato & maybe Addison
Trade: Reid, maybe Higgins maybe Lake and maybe anyone else who has some real currency that we could get a deal too good to refuse.
Upgrade the Dollhouse; keep Panos, Barlow & Johannissen on the rookie list for another year.

I would do almost anything to get a genuine homegrown superstar at the club.
Someone who's going to have the commentators drooling like buddy Franklin does.
God knows we need some genuine excitement and electricity.

[The Doctor]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Easy in hindsight isnt it.

some of us were making these calls at the time. Nothing to do with hindsight

[GVGjr]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Easy in hindsight isnt it.

It isn't a case of hindsight. I could direct you towards some discussion back in 2008 where some of us challenged why the club wasn't active enough leading into the compromised drafts and our likely commitments to father son selections.