Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[ledge]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

It isn't a case of hindsight. I could direct you towards some discussion back in 2008 where some of us challenged why the club wasn't active enough leading into the compromised drafts and our likely commitments to father son selections.

Foresight then

Just had a look at GCs delistings 8 players not even worth trying to trade, doesnt look good for the recruiters does it?
Only 2 years in these boys must have been well over rated.
I wonder if any of them will be rookied anywhere.

[Greystache]

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Foresight then

Just had a look at GCs delistings 8 players not even worth trying to trade, doesnt look good for the recruiters does it?
Only 2 years in these boys must have been well over rated.
I wonder if any of them will be rookied anywhere.

GC had a bigger list than the rest of the comp, they had to trim it by 8 at the end of their first season.

[Mantis]

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Just had a look at GCs delistings 8 players not even worth trying to trade, doesnt look good for the recruiters does it?
Only 2 years in these boys must have been well over rated.
I wonder if any of them will be rookied anywhere.

Who's recruiters?

[ledge]

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Who's recruiters?

Gold Coasts

[ledge]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

GC had a bigger list than the rest of the comp, they had to trim it by 8 at the end of their first season.

Oh okay that explains it, but I would have thought you might have tried to trade a few in two in one deals with other players as sweeteners.
Refer DJ.

[stefoid]

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Higgins can be shopped around and can't remember a player thats diappointed me so much. Another year like his last 2 and he will have no value left. Maybe send Higgins & Lake to GWS for that gun O'Mera kid of whatever his name is.

Higgins AND Lake? jeesus!

[stefoid]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

It isn't a case of hindsight. I could direct you towards some discussion back in 2008 where some of us challenged why the club wasn't active enough leading into the compromised drafts and our likely commitments to father son selections.

We were having a crack at a premiership, thats why Johno, Acker and Eagleton were retained.

Thats why we drafted Hall. Were any of the players drafted from pick 47 (Hall) to our next pick (marcovic at 63) any good?

As for 2008, the Ray trade moved our pick 48 to pick 31 to enable us to select both Roughhead and Jones.

Our next pick was at 64 and then 80 - who should we have picked up?

[Remi Moses]

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The club did the right thing in 08. We're trying to win a flag for Christ sake!
Just would have been nice to get Hall in 08.

[ledge]

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The club did the right thing in 08. We're trying to win a flag for Christ sake!
Just would have been nice to get Hall in 08.

We tried and Bazza tried but Roos wouldnt have a bar of it.
Bit him on the bum later though.

[Topdog]

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We were having a crack at a premiership, thats why Johno, Acker and Eagleton were retained.

Thats why we drafted Hall. Were any of the players drafted from pick 47 (Hall) to our next pick (marcovic at 63) any good?

As for 2008, the Ray trade moved our pick 48 to pick 31 to enable us to select both Roughhead and Jones.

Our next pick was at 64 and then 80 - who should we have picked up?

Are you suggesting that we didn't have list cloggers in 2008???

[stefoid]

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Are you suggesting that we didn't have list cloggers in 2008???

Youre putting the horse before the cart by concentrating on who shouldnt be on the list - you target a player to bring onto the list, then you make way for them by dropping someone off it.

So who were the players available at the picks we had that we should have brought onto the list? Because the MC obviously thought there werent any worthy at our 4th pick in 08.

People are saying drop this one, that one and the other one, and pay these guys out... Thats fine if the MC has identified a truckload of players they want to bring onto the list this year.

But hearsay says this is a thin draft and the talent is not likely to run deep. So my guess is that we wont see the sweeping changes that some are suggesting - this year. Rather than take on a bunch of late pick nuff-nuffs this year on 2 year contracts, I am guessing that we will wait until the next draft, prune much harder and take on a big load of draftees from a bumper draft.

[Bornadog]

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Youre putting the horse before the cart by concentrating on who shouldnt be on the list - you target a player to bring onto the list, then you make way for them by dropping someone off it.

So who were the players available at the picks we had that we should have brought onto the list? Because the MC obviously thought there werent any worthy at our 4th pick in 08.

People are saying drop this one, that one and the other one, and pay these guys out... Thats fine if the MC has identified a truckload of players they want to bring onto the list this year.

But hearsay says this is a thin draft and the talent is not likely to run deep. So my guess is that we wont see the sweeping changes that some are suggesting - this year. Rather than take on a bunch of late pick nuff-nuffs this year on 2 year contracts, I am guessing that we will wait until the next draft, prune much harder and take on a big load of draftees from a bumper draft.

Spot on Stefoid, and the pruning will be needed at the end of 2012 as the last of the class of 1999 disappear.

We have already lost three players and most likely we will delist at least another two and maybe trade one as well, so thats 6 changes already.

[LostDoggy]

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Why do people keep throwing Lake up as a potential trade? The guy had three big operations in the pre-season and possibly wasn't managed well. A lot of players struggle after one operation let alone three. Ok, if he has another stinker of a year I'll stand corrected but I fail to believe that the premier defender in the comp would drop off that badly and never come good again.

[1eyedog]

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Why do people keep throwing Lake up as a potential trade? The guy had three big operations in the pre-season and possibly wasn't managed well. A lot of players struggle after one operation let alone three. Ok, if he has another stinker of a year I'll stand corrected but I fail to believe that the premier defender in the comp would drop off that badly and never come good again.

I think the bandying about Lake potentially moving on has been driven more by a dubious relationship with Rocket and one or two players.

I know I'm probably dreaming but I don't think we are out of a good shot at the finals next year when I write our best 22 down on paper. It all depends on the game plan and how we adapt to other teams game plan. Lake has a big role in our ability to do this.

He is a required player until he decides to hang them up as far as I am concerned.

[Bornadog]

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I think the bandying about Lake potentially moving on has been driven more by a dubious relationship with Rocket and one or two players.

I know I'm probably dreaming but I don't think we are out of a good shot at the finals next year when I write our best 22 down on paper. It all depends on the game plan and how we adapt to other teams game plan. Lake has a big role in our ability to do this.

He is a required player until he decides to hang them up as far as I am concerned.

Rocket said last week he and Lake get along well and what you read is a load of rubbish.

On this forum, we have about 600 posts bagging Ward for leaving us, not being loyal etc etc, yet some posters want to move Lake on. Lake has been an AA Fullback for the last two years and because he was injured we all want to get rid of him.