Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[Ghost Dog]

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The problem for Redpath and Panos is you have to get it before you can kick it.

well said Sockeye. Good point
But that being said, we got plenty of it in our 50 V swans and piled on ten points.
Those straight on misses really hurt.

Where can I find stats for set shots per AFL team?

[Rocco Jones]

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Can Vez and/or Sherman work under B-Mac plans? If not, we might as well save time and delist/trade theM. I am pretty sure Vez's contract is up at year's end, believe Sherman has one more year.

I rate Sherman a fair bit and see some value in Vez. I think attitude wise they are pretty much set in their ways. There might be a bit of a shift but I can't see them ever being really hard/what B-Mac seems to rate.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Can Vez and/or Sherman work under B-Mac plans? If not, we might as well save time and delist/trade theM. I am pretty sure Vez's contract is up at year's end, believe Sherman has one more year.

I rate Sherman a fair bit and see some value in Vez. I think attitude wise they are pretty much set in their ways. There might be a bit of a shift but I can't see them ever being really hard/what B-Mac seems to rate.

I think it's ridiculous they aren't playing every week, but you're right. If we aren't going to use them, there's no point keeping them.

Starting to seem likely at least one will be gone.

[Sedat]

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Can Vez and/or Sherman work under B-Mac plans? If not, we might as well save time and delist/trade theM. I am pretty sure Vez's contract is up at year's end, believe Sherman has one more year.

I rate Sherman a fair bit and see some value in Vez. I think attitude wise they are pretty much set in their ways. There might be a bit of a shift but I can't see them ever being really hard/what B-Mac seems to rate.

Some fair points there but the reality is that both Sherman and Vesz have ingrained flaws in their game (Sherman - decision making, Vesz - aerobic capacity and lack of defensive intensity one-on-one) that for all intents and purposes won't ever be fully remedied. That's certainly not to say that a fair portion of our current starting 22 don't also have well established flaws in their game either.

[Mantis]

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Some fair points there but the reality is that both Sherman and Vesz have ingrained flaws in their game (Sherman - decision making, Vesz - aerobic capacity and lack of defensive intensity one-on-one) that for all intents and purposes won't ever be fully remedied. That's certainly not to say that a fair portion of our current starting 22 don't also have well established flaws in their game either.

But both Sherman (pace & finishing) and Vez (kicking) have attributes our team requires.

I would be disappointed if B-Mac doesn't give them another extended run to see if they can produce the type of footy he requires.

[GVGjr]

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But both Sherman (pace & finishing) and Vez (kicking) have attributes our team requires.

I would be disappointed if B-Mac doesn't give them another extended run to see if they can produce the type of footy he requires.

Same here. Sherman frustrates me because he doesn't seem to be 100% focused but he is the type of player we need to add and should be given a decent run at it. Veszpremi just can't get himself to required fitness standards but as a smaller rebounding defender he also needs to be played.

[Ghost Dog]

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Some fair points there but the reality is that both Sherman and Vesz have ingrained flaws in their game (Sherman - decision making, Vesz - aerobic capacity and lack of defensive intensity one-on-one) that for all intents and purposes won't ever be fully remedied. That's certainly not to say that a fair portion of our current starting 22 don't also have well established flaws in their game either.

Ever? Never ever? old dogs can learn new tricks.

Everitt was cooked here at the Dogs. Derided, many were happy to see him go. I wasn't one of them.
Here is a guy who had flaws in his game and has worked through them. Vezpa and Sherman certainly can, no doubt.
The key is having the right players to go alongside those who are inconsistent to push them and challenge them to keep it up.

[Remi Moses]

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Ever? Never ever? old dogs can learn new tricks.

Everitt was cooked here at the Dogs. Derided, many were happy to see him go. I wasn't one of them.
Here is a guy who had flaws in his game and has worked through them. Vezpa and Sherman certainly can, no doubt.
The key is having the right players to go alongside those who are inconsistent to push them and challenge them to keep it up.

Andrejs isn't intense enough or urgent enough to make it!
Let's be honest if Sydney ( the master recyclers) can't get anything out of you nobody will.
He'll be in and out all season, he's the consummate tease of a footballer

[Sedat]

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Ever? Never ever? old dogs can learn new tricks.

Everitt was cooked here at the Dogs. Derided, many were happy to see him go. I wasn't one of them.
Here is a guy who had flaws in his game and has worked through them. Vezpa and Sherman certainly can, no doubt.
The key is having the right players to go alongside those who are inconsistent to push them and challenge them to keep it up.

Everitt is currently playing for his AFL life and is only getting a semi-regular game because of Spangher's long-term injuries this season. Swans have a major issue with Everitt's intensity (sound familiar?) and would have Spangher in the team in a heartbeat as the 3rd tall forward as soon as gets some match conditioning in the two's. Everitt has been as disappointing at Sydney as he was with us, and is one of the few recycled players not to be a success story for them. He still has a little time on his side but the clock is ticking.

I would dearly love for Sherman and Vesz to overcome their deficiencies and become very good quality and consistent AFL players, but one of them has been in the system for 8 years and the other for 5, and neither have showed improvement in their areas of deficiency. Having said that, they absolutely need to be given a decent run at senior level so that we can make a definitive call one way or the other.

If there was a level between VFL and AFL, we would be premiers every year - so many players on our list appear to be too good for VFL and not quite good enough for consistent AFL output.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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If there was a level between VFL and AFL, we would be premiers every year - so many players on our list appear to be too good for VFL and not quite good enough for consistent AFL output.

Perhaps we over-rate some of our players based on one or two reasonable performances at VFL level.

[LostDoggy]

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As much as I'm bitter about Ward; would we have an appetite to trade a player as required on our list as Wood or Roughead to GWS if we could get Hogan in the mini-draft? Assume it would need to be at least that caliber + a draft pick to get the job done. They need ruck talent and we have a plethora of tall potential. Flow on would be they would avoid Grundy and take a quality mid assuming they get pick 2 in the real draft this year.

[Remi Moses]

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See Goldsack and Reid are out of contract!
Both would be ideal, Goldsack been great in that lead up forward roll.
The only blight is Reid's soft tissue problems. One apple has to fall out of the tree

[westdog54]

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As much as I'm bitter about Ward; would we have an appetite to trade a player as required on our list as Wood or Roughead to GWS if we could get Hogan in the mini-draft? Assume it would need to be at least that caliber + a draft pick to get the job done. They need ruck talent and we have a plethora of tall potential. Flow on would be they would avoid Grundy and take a quality mid assuming they get pick 2 in the real draft this year.

I'd think we'd be looking at a high end draft pick as a trade rather than a player.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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I would seriously target Goldsack. Surely Collingwood cannot keep them all.

[Ghost Dog]

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Everitt is currently playing for his AFL life and is only getting a semi-regular game because of Spangher's long-term injuries this season. Swans have a major issue with Everitt's intensity (sound familiar?) and would have Spangher in the team in a heartbeat as the 3rd tall forward as soon as gets some match conditioning in the two's. Everitt has been as disappointing at Sydney as he was with us, and is one of the few recycled players not to be a success story for them. He still has a little time on his side but the clock is ticking.

I would dearly love for Sherman and Vesz to overcome their deficiencies and become very good quality and consistent AFL players, but one of them has been in the system for 8 years and the other for 5, and neither have showed improvement in their areas of deficiency. Having said that, they absolutely need to be given a decent run at senior level so that we can make a definitive call one way or the other.

If there was a level between VFL and AFL, we would be premiers every year - so many players on our list appear to be too good for VFL and not quite good enough for consistent AFL output.

Sedat, I lift my hat to the above post. Enjoyed reading it and the bold part made me laugh at the weary, bitter humor of a dogged dogs supporter.