Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[chef]

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I would seriously target Goldsack. Surely Collingwood cannot keep them all.

Me too. The aren't going to lose Reid, Beams or Cloke.

[LostDoggy]

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Is N.Ablett worth drafting as he knows how to play in the forward line?

[G-Mo77]

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Is N.Ablett worth drafting as he knows how to play in the forward line?

Fev would be a better option so would Simon Beasley. I'm not sure if you're being serious with that comment.

[BulldogBelle]

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Is N.Ablett worth drafting as he knows how to play in the forward line?

1. Absolutely not.

2. We have a plethora of far, far better younger lead up forwards, we need fast and skillful crumbers.

edit: I'm pretty sure it was a joke post.

[Eastdog]

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1. Absolutely not.

2. We have a plethora of far, far better younger lead up forwards, we need fast and skillful crumbers.

edit: I'm pretty sure it was a joke post.

Crumbers is definitely what we are lacking.

[LostDoggy]

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Fev would be a better option so would Simon Beasley. I'm not sure if you're being serious with that comment.

Premiership player who lost his way wanting to put his feet up on the Gold Coast.
Son and brother to champions.Now wants to have another shot at it .
Could be the answer to the chaos that rules in our forward line at the moment.Im sure we would not lose anything replacing Mulligan for him as a late pick .
Would you have drafted Podsiadly?
Just trying to look outside the square and take the blinkers off as key forwards dont fall out of trees

[Ghost Dog]

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I would like a few more . Tallish guys who you can shunt around the ground in various positions.
In terms of key forwards, why can't we get someone else to do the ruck and have Minson forward as a general rule?
Or Lake? because he is looking that disinterested in the backline it's not funny.
Or just plonk Redpath ( they won't move him ) in the forward line and have a few smaller guys get the spills?

[chef]

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I would like a few more like Fletcher Roberts. Tallish guys who you can shunt around the ground in various positions.
In terms of key forwards, why can't we get someone else to do the ruck and have Minson forward as a general rule?
Or Lake? because he is looking that disinterested in the backline it's not funny.
Or just plonk Redpath ( they won't move him ) in the forward line and have a few smaller guys get the spills?

Been there, done that. He's not a KPF.

You can't invent forwards. It's just something that is natural. I would rather us rotate Jones, Cordy, Hill, Panos, Roberts, Skinner and Grant for the rest of the season to develop what we have and to work out if they are all worth keeping for the future.

[Sedat]

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Been there, done that. He's not a KPF.

You're probably right, but he was our designated KPF when we had our best shot at a flag (2008-9). I'm in the minority in that I thought his 2008 season as a key forward pinch-hitter in particular was underrated. The reality was that once we got Hall in we started to fall away from the pack (I also believe that had we got Hally in a year earlier we'd have won the flag in 2009, so I'm certainly not discounting his abilities as a KPF). You don't need a superstar to play a servicable role up forward, but a) we don't have the smalls to take advantage of the ground ball spillage, and b) we don't have any defensive presence in our forward 50 of any note. Give me a servicable tall and strong defensive pressure in the forward 50 any day of the week than a champion tall forward and a trampoline forward line.

[AndrewP6]

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I would like a few more . Tallish guys who you can shunt around the ground in various positions.
In terms of key forwards, why can't we get someone else to do the ruck and have Minson forward as a general rule?
Or Lake? because he is looking thatdisinterested in the backline it's not funny.
Or just plonk Redpath ( they won't move him ) in the forward line and have a few smaller guys get the spills?

Is he? Apart from last weekend, he's looked alright this year, IMO.

[LostDoggy]

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With the 3-1sub rule and possibly going 2-2 we can't keep 3 20yo+ rucks whose speciality is rucking. I don't see the point in upgrading Campbell if we are going to keep Minson and Roughead.
We really should be playing just 1 and getting Jones to pinch hit.

[Maddog37]

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I would be interested in Ablett if Bmac thinks it is worth pursuing. He would know if it is worthwhile surely.

[Ghost Dog]

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Is he? Apart from last weekend, he's looked alright this year, IMO.

Yes fair call there Andrew. I think the disappointment of last week has me under a red and black cloud. You are right. He has looked good against other opponents. It's just a bit disappointing to not have him perform last week when the chips were down, drop the chin and allow them so much space.

[Rocco Jones]

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I read Sedat's post on another thread about the big group of players we have who can perhaps be okish at times at AFL level but overall will never really amount to much at all.

Why should we hold onto these guys? I don't see how they will help develop our kids.

Vez, Sherman (not sure of contract status), Markovic and DJ are just taking up space IMO.

Hooper, Mulligan and Moles are gone. I was actually reasonably impressed by Gilbee but not sure he is the type who will help develop kids.

Then there are the young talls in Skinner, Panos and Hill. I know Skinner's coming from way back but he isn't 19, he is 23. I think absolutely best case, he will end up offering us Setanta type value. Really believe Panos is a throwback and Hill can't get near it at Willi.

I know that's 11 players but we would also updgrade 2 rookies and I rate Johannisen more than any of the 11 long term. I would rather take a punt on a draftee than resign myself to keeping a player we know won't make it just because he has played a decent game or two. We are the AFL's version of hoarders.

[Bornadog]

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I read Sedat's post on another thread about the big group of players we have who can perhaps be okish at times at AFL level but overall will never really amount to much at all.

Why should we hold onto these guys? I don't see how they will help develop our kids.

Vez, Sherman (not sure of contract status), Markovic and DJ are just taking up space IMO.

Hooper, Mulligan and Moles are gone. I was actually reasonably impressed by Gilbee but not sure he is the type who will help develop kids.

Then there are the young talls in Skinner, Panos and Hill. I know Skinner's coming from way back but he isn't 19, he is 23. I think absolutely best case, he will end up offering us Setanta type value. Really believe Panos is a throwback and Hill can't get near it at Willi.

I know that's 11 players but we would also updgrade 2 rookies and I rate Johannisen more than any of the 11 long term. I would rather take a punt on a draftee than resign myself to keeping a player we know won't make it just because he has played a decent game or two. We are the AFL's version of hoarders.

I have previously been against delisting/trading so many players, but with an ageing list of good players and so many list cloggers, this could be the time to do it. A nice clean sweep and we will benefit in two years time when the current crop have 50 plus games under their belt and with younger players coming through.

Previously we could replace the Grants, Wests, Smiths, Darcy etc with the 1999 draftees, but now how do we replace the 1999 draftees with the next crop?