Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[Mitcha]

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Brad McKenzie is the type of player we should be going for IMO in this draft.

He is from SA and is an elite kick and North are looking for him to play the HB quarterback role.
They were quoted at the time as picking him up as he was the best kick in the draft. He is a bit light on but North have looked at him as a long term prospect. He went with Jack Ziebel over to Colorado to put more time into his physical development whilst Ziebel was suspended during the season.

I dont see him as a wasted pick or a quick fix. In some ways I wish we had picked him up instead of Clay Smith.

Christian Howard says hello.

[Raw Toast]

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I still think Grant is a small forward - the majority of his goals are from burning off an opponent and running into goal. It's a handy trick.

I've said it before, but Grant is still the best crumber at the club. From media comments earlier in the year, BMac appeared to want him to get strong enough to stay in the contest longer.

I'd be happy for him to have Murphy as a role-model - he's built up strength without sacrificing run, speed or agility. While Grant is not as good a kick as Murphy, he's also shown promise as a forward who can lead up the wings, which is vital for us. I know Murphy is supposed to play up forward for us in 2013, but Grant could still add value playing a Milne-type role (roaming pretty far and wide while working to get back to forward 50 contests and rove the packs and being able to lead and mark a bit in the 50 as well).

Suffice to say, I don't want us to trade him for peanuts, which is likely to be his market worth at the moment.

[Desipura]

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AFL website reporting that Koby Stevens to decide within 24 hours which one of Bulldogs, Bombers or Saints he wants to play with.
Bombers have pick 32 and the Saints have 24 & 34 in the 2nd round which would be too high a pick for Stevens.

It will be interesting how it plays out as 41 could be the pick we offer for Gumbleton if we decide to entice him over with a longer contract.
All 3 teams 3rd round picks are close to one another, 43 Saints, 47 Dogs and 48 Bombers.
It will come down to who he nominates as it generally does.

[azabob]

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AFL website reporting that Koby Stevens to decide within 24 hours which one of Bulldogs, Bombers or Saints he wants to play with.
I would think WCE would want nothing less than our pick 41.
It will be interesting how it plays out as 41 could be the pick we offer for Gumbleton if we decide to entice him over with a longer contract.

To get Gumbleton (which I don't think is a good move) I'd imagine we would need to give up more than pick 41.

[GVGjr]

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To get Gumbleton (which I don't think is a good move) I'd imagine we would need to give up more than pick 41.

I disagree. I think 41 would be about their asking price. The discussion might be more around if we could get then to take something later although I don't think it's going to happen.

West Coast I think would want pick 21 for Stevens.

[stefoid]

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Awesome. We have a player who has a speed advantage over every opponent he comes up against...therefore we should lock him in a gym and make him stronger, less agile and slower.

How about recognising he will never be a 'true' key forward and let him play a complimentary role where his natural gifts can be of real benefit too us???

Grant lacks consistency of effort (during games), not size.

Whatever works, but given his 4 week holiday from footy this season, the preseason will probably be the same.

[Desipura]

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I disagree. I think 41 would be about their asking price. The discussion might be more around if we could get then to take something later although I don't think it's going to happen.

West Coast I think would want pick 21 for Stevens.

21 for Stevens? Dawes was at least a regular in the pies side. No way would I give away pick 21.
Let him go to the Saints for pick 24 or the Bombers at pick 32.

[G-Mo77]

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West Coast I think would want pick 21 for Stevens.

Pick in the 30s. I think it was their list manager mentioned that on Trade Radio.

[GVGjr]

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Pick in the 30s. I think it was their list manager mentioned that on Trade Radio.

Fair enough. He is not within our range then.

[Desipura]

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Fair enough. He is not within our range then.

If he has a strong desire to come to us, that could work in our favor.

[azabob]

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I disagree. I think 41 would be about their asking price. The discussion might be more around if we could get then to take something later although I don't think it's going to happen.

West Coast I think would want pick 21 for Stevens.

I'd be surprised if Essendon would be that reasonable.

Only time will tell.

[GVGjr]

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I'd be surprised if Essendon would be that reasonable.

Only time will tell.

Of course they would ask for 21 but knowing full well they wouldn't get it.
I think they would settle for 41 unless they think he will take their one year offer.

I'm not sure we will make a play for him or not but pick 21 shouldn't be a consideration.

[LostDoggy]

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Christian Howard says hello.

Too easy to make that comparison.
Does that mean that being from SA and a good kick makes the 2 players the same?
I dont think that Howard played in the SA U/18 Rep team, unlike McKenzie.
What about Plowman? Are you going to say he will be the same as Howard as he appears to be a good kick and will play off HB if we draft him?

[Doc26]

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I disagree. I think 41 would be about their asking price. The discussion might be more around if we could get then to take something later although I don't think it's going to happen.

West Coast I think would want pick 21 for Stevens.

Pick in the 30s. I think it was their list manager mentioned that on Trade Radio.

I heard Craig Vozzo mention something similar G-Mo although to be fair he was lead by Damian Barrett with his response, who had asked him something like "would it take a pick somewhere in the 30s ?" To which Vozzo's response was something like "that would be about right"

Heard tonight on radio during trek home, think it was from Mark Fine, state that StKilda had stepped away from any interest in Stevens. Maybe just some game playing to get Mitch Brown back on table for Cripps.

[GVGjr]

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Gumbleton is pretty clearly worth pick 21 on potential. However in the real world his risk downside says a pick about mid 40's is all you would want to chance on him. Essendon has a hard and well earned reputation for grossly overvaluing their players in a trade situation. So you would not expect their desires and requirements to be even vaguely realistic.

As for Grant, I for one don't see that he will ever have a body that is a match for his height. He will never have even a Lake type build, let alone a Baz type, no matter how much time he spends in the gym.
Anyway for mine his problem is psychological, not physical anyway. He has the talent and skills, what he needs is to be in the game and the zone for 120 minutes, rather than 12 minutes per game.