Second half fade outs

[Bulldog4life]

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Couldn't agree more. If we can start to see some improvement next year in the first half, we will all be optimistic about the future.

Are you sure about that?

[LostDoggy]

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Are you sure about that?

Well can it be much worse than it is now?

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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If you look at the stats, the time in f50 was not far from 50% a piece. was 46, 54% or something or other. Some other stats were pretty pleasing really. That being said they did have some big outs. Then again it was at Skilled stadium. I think we can chalk up a few positives. We give FAR too much respect to Geelong. Wallis admitted as much in the presser. They use their reputation to dictate terms. We have to be more ruthless. Of course you give them respect for their history. But on the field, we have to be prepared to throw all that out.

Put Hawkins and Chapman in our team and you might have seen a different result. We have sadly lacked one or two quality forwards all year.

[Bulldog4life]

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Well can it be much worse than it is now?

You miss my point.If there is improvement we all won't be optimistic about the future. There are pessimists on here Chops that will always be that way. I read what they said when we were finishing in the top 4.They were pessimistic then. An improvement from where we are now won't change their thinking.

[LostDoggy]

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You miss my point.If there is improvement we all won't be optimistic about the future. There are pessimists on here Chops that will always be that way. I read what they said when we were finishing in the top 4.They were pessimistic then. An improvement from where we are now won't change their thinking.

I think you're wrong. If we weren't optimistic about the future we wouldn't be supporting the bulldogs.
If you cant see us achieving much under the current structure, it doesnt mean you are pessimistic about the future, just think it will take longer.

[Ghost Dog]

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You miss my point.If there is improvement we all won't be optimistic about the future. There are pessimists on here Chops that will always be that way. I read what they said when we were finishing in the top 4.They were pessimistic then. An improvement from where we are now won't change their thinking.

I got a very long response to a letter I wrote to Simon Garlic about a month back.
It was quite long, and someone ( Jo Parr) had taken the time to write it.
I wrote them a letter of encouragement, saying I thought they were doing many things right, but with some concern about Libba. Was great to get a reply and was quite well worded. Each game we seem to be getting a little better and I reckon in a few years we will be a force to be reckoned with. The overriding message is, stick with it. Sorry, but I think this season was about as good as could have been expected really.

[Bulldog4life]

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I think you're wrong. If we weren't optimistic about the future we wouldn't be supporting the bulldogs.
If you cant see us achieving much under the current structure, it does mean you are pessimistic about the future just it will take longer.

You are incredible Chops.

[Bulldog4life]

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I got a very long response to a letter I wrote to Simon Garlic about a month back.
It was quite long, and someone ( Jo Parr) had taken the time to write it.
I wrote them a letter of encouragement, saying I thought they were doing many things right, but with some concern about Libba. Was great to get a reply and was quite well worded. Each game we seem to be getting a little better and I reckon in a few years we will be a force to be reckoned with. The overriding message is, stick with it. Sorry, but I think this season was about as good as could have been expected really.

I'm optimistic that will happen Ghost Dog.

[LostDoggy]

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You are incredible Chops.

What's the problem?

[Bornadog]

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Sorry, but I think this season was about as good as could have been expected really.

Can't agree on that. I didn't expect to lose 10 and soon to be 11 games in a row at an average of 55 points. I didn't expect to win many games, but not the capitulation we have seen.

[G-Mo77]

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Can't agree on that. I didn't expect to lose 10 and soon to be 11 games in a row at an average of 55 points. I didn't expect to win many games, but not the capitulation we have seen.

We lost 13 games in 2011 and by an average margin of around 40 points so the writing was clearly on the wall for a complete collapse in 2012. We were lucky the bottom half was really weak last year and had a very overrated 9 wins on the board, a pass mark for some.

[jeemak]

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I think you're wrong. If we weren't optimistic about the future we wouldn't be supporting the bulldogs.
If you cant see us achieving much under the current structure, it doesnt mean you are pessimistic about the future, just think it will take longer.

Chops, this not a personal attack on you (yeah, I know that's not a great way to start a line of questioning, but trust me) though I'm interested in what you deemed to be the key criteria for us having improved this season, and what you think will be the key criteria in us improving over the next 12 months.

I'm not going to sugar coat our second half fade outs over the last eleven weeks and I also think we were lucky Geelong were in cruise mode in the second half this most recent week.

Considering we've obviously been knackered in second halves since round 11 or so (whether it's due to youth, training programs, or whatever) some of the results have been fairly self explanatory, though not excusable.

So what would you have seen done differently, and what do you see as being required steps over the preseason and first half of next season to provide you with a little faith in the current structure?

You're very passionate, and I like that, though I want to understand why you're so sure we're on a path to failure.

[Bornadog]

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We lost 13 games in 2011 and by an average margin of around 40 points so the writing was clearly on the wall for a complete collapse in 2012. We were lucky the bottom half was really weak last year and had a very overrated 9 wins on the board, a pass mark for some.

I bet if I asked you at the start of the season, you didn't expect 10 goal thumpings week after week.

My expectation was wouldn't win many, maybe more than 5, but I didn't expect the second half fade outs where we hardly saw a goal kicked. Sundays game versus Geelong was where I thought we would be.

Anyway, whats done is done, and I just hope its upwards from here on.

[G-Mo77]

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I bet if I asked you at the start of the season, you didn't expect 10 goal thumpings week after week.

Umm yeah I did. Last season we were disgusting and I expected that to continue into 2012. I did expect to improve in the later part of the season though. We're back a lot further than what I thought before the start of the season.

[Bornadog]

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Umm yeah I did. Last season we were disgusting and I expected that to continue into 2012. I did expect to improve in the later part of the season though. We're back a lot further than what I thought before the start of the season.

The positives for the year are the young players. They have gained valuable experience and will only get better as their bodies grow and they get more experience at AFL level.

We have to be patient with the taller players as we know they take longer to mature.