Second half fade outs

[Mantis]

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I remember Howard talking about "learning to run with the extra 6kgs" he had, and I think it's a valid point. We are struggling to run out games after putting the extra weight on which inhibits our run, a situation that is hopefully rectified somewhat this pre-season.

Should we have been doing anything through the year to rectify our lack of run or should we just wait to the end of the season?

To me it looks like the players have been treated with kiddy gloves with respect to training loads and playing demands (lots of weeks off)... Long term this might help in their development, but players need to build their resilience to the demands of being an AFL player and I would have preferred a harder approach.

[LongWait]

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Doesn't piss me off at all, so I don't know how you know that. What pisses me off is the acceptance of floggings week after week. I believe we can build for the future without having to endure floggings.

The last 12 games:

L 96 points, win 38, followed by losses of:, 58, 84, 38, 72, 18 (to a Carlton side with less experience than us), 76, 54, 70, 82. No doubt Geelong will belt us next week and Brissie the week after.

I'd hate to be snowed in for the winter with you.

[Bornadog]

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Should we have been doing anything through the year to rectify our lack of run or should we just wait to the end of the season?

To me it looks like the players have been treated with kiddy gloves with respect to training loads and playing demands (lots of weeks off)... Long term this might help in their development, but players need to build their resilience to the demands of being an AFL player and I would have preferred a harder approach.

The coach said at the start of the season we needed to improve our contested possession and player harder footy, well he got that wrong, as we are currently averaging less contested possession than last year. We can try and use the excuse that we have a younger team, but lets not forget we debuted 10 players last year.

[Bornadog]

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I'd hate to be snowed in for the winter with you.

You can start deflecting by taking personal swipes, but that facts speak for themselves. A season where we have been flogged by 10 goals in half of our games is not my idea of educating and learning.

[LongWait]

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You can start deflecting by taking personal swipes, but that facts speak for themselves. A season where we have been flogged by 10 goals in half of our games is not my idea of educating and learning.

Come on - you quoted my original post and implied that I was accepting floggings "Are you really happy with 86 points floggings?" and then "Well you are constantly defending what the club is doing this year and seem to be happy with it."

You do this contantly BAD - have a crack at a poster and then when they respond you cry foul. Hypocrite.

[Mofra]

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Should we have been doing anything through the year to rectify our lack of run or should we just wait to the end of the season?

To me it looks like the players have been treated with kiddy gloves with respect to training loads and playing demands (lots of weeks off)... Long term this might help in their development, but players need to build their resilience to the demands of being an AFL player and I would have preferred a harder approach.

Maybe "should" isn't the question, it's "could".

The time to build a fitness base is during the pre-season, as recovery takes over as the season progresses. Geelong won the GF last year with a player rotation policy, and that was with a mature list of seasoned players - if top line mature players will struggle to see out a season, younger guys who are still developing will struggle more.

I'm not happy with our second half capitulations, but given this juncture of our season I'll reserve my judgement on the effectiveness of the B-Mac plan on how we start 2013 (although hard-headed list management decisions will be vital this time around).

[Bornadog]

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Come on - you quoted my original post and implied that I was accepting floggings "Are you really happy with 86 points floggings?" and then "Well you are constantly defending what the club is doing this year and seem to be happy with it.".

I asked a question and you can't answer whether you are happy with the floggings, so you deflect.

[Greystache]

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The coach said at the start of the season we needed to improve our contested possession and player harder footy, well he got that wrong, as we are currently averaging less contested possession than last year. We can try and use the excuse that we have a younger team, but lets not forget we debuted 10 players last year.

As an isolated stat it sounds similar to this year, but last year we debuted 9 young players but very few were given much more than a debut game. We really only played young players out of necessity where as this year they're forming the foundation of the team.

Last year

Skinner played 1 quarter
Cordy played round 22 & 23 (Once a caretaker coach tookover)
Tutt played round 22-24 (Once a caretaker coach tookover)
Mulligan played 3 games as a last option stop gap
Wallis played 5
Howard played 6
Schofield played 7
Markovic was a mature debutant

Realistically Libba and Dahlhaus were the only 2 that played considerable games last year, and they were two of our better players for the season.

[LongWait]

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I asked a question and you can't answer whether you are happy with the floggings, so you deflect.

I didn't answer the question because it was moronic. Of course I don't accept the floggings but I understand that the scoreboard is not the only measure of what we are trying to achieve. If, after reading and responding to dozens of my posts, you still don't yet understand my views, then you are not trying and don't really care what I think.

Wallow in your self pity if you want, but I'm pretty confident we are on the right course and that we will challenge for the flag with McCartney as the coach.

[Mantis]

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As an isolated stat it sounds similar to this year, but last year we debuted 9 young players but very few were given much more than a debut game. We really only played young players out of necessity where as this year they're forming the foundation of the team.
Last year

Skinner played 1 quarter
Cordy played round 22 & 23 (Once a caretaker coach tookover)
Tutt played round 22-24 (Once a caretaker coach tookover)
Mulligan played 3 games as a last option stop gap
Wallis played 5
Howard played 6
Schofield played 7
Markovic was a mature debutant

Realistically Libba and Dahlhaus were the only 2 that played considerable games last year, and they were two of our better players for the season.

That's a really surprising statement GS when considering that from our debut players only Clay Smith has played any type of substantial role.

And do players like Campbell, Jong, JJ, Talia & Roberts fit into the category of only receiving little more than a debut game considering none have played over 5 games and most have only played once we have opened the gates and let anyone (except Panos) play?

[Bornadog]

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I didn't answer the question because it was moronic. Of course I don't accept the floggings but I understand that the scoreboard is not the only measure of what we are trying to achieve. If, after reading and responding to dozens of my posts, you still don't yet understand my views, then you are not trying and don't really care what I think.

Wallow in your self pity if you want, but I'm pretty confident we are on the right course and that we will challenge for the flag with McCartney as the coach.

" Maronic" , " self pity" - you have now officially confirmed it all. The best way for you to argue is personal attacks. I had some respect for some of your posts but really you have lost me now.

[LostDoggy]

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In danger of sounding like a broken record, the second half thrashings aren't very surprising considering the amount of young blokes in the side and the sort of pre-season they went through. Being at the game every week, you can see anywhere from 10-15 players cramping up later on. They'll come good.

[LongWait]

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" Maronic" , " self pity" - you have now officially confirmed it all. The best way for you to argue is personal attacks. I had some respect for some of your posts but really you have lost me now.

I'll ignore you completely from now on. Problem solved.

[LostDoggy]

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Instead of bringing in lots of good young talent and training them to be stronger to ensure they will be competitive, successful AFL players for years to come, lets bring in some older recycled players and aim for the best result we can get right now! Bugger the future!

I'm willing to meet you half way with this.
If younger ones arn't progressing as they should or as quickly as they should, you are in real danger of instilling a looser culture into them and the club. Just ask Melb, Port, and Richmond how that has worked out for them.
By cycling through experience, they help the kids develope as well as remind people of bigger picture stuff. However cycling through too many old ones you may run the risk of never getting anywhere but 6 - 11 position every year.
Fine line and I wish I had the answers.

[LostDoggy]

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Are you really happy with 86 points floggings?

To be fair, this is somewhat of a loaded question. What response were you after?