2017 Draft Watch

[choconmientay]

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This guy probably jumped the gun a bit before the draft ...

AFL Draft: WA prospect Aaron Naughton prefers Collingwood over Fremantle

Let me go to Collingwood’.
Considered a ready-made AFL defender, experts have been suggesting that Freo would attempt to snap up the youngster with pick five.
But Naughton, who is born in Victoria, has his sights on Collingwood at pick six.
“For me personally I think Melbourne, being the home of footy and playing for the biggest club in Australia, that'd be the way to go for me,” he said.

[bulldogtragic]

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Hmmm.

That's good for us if he goes 5 or 6. Maybe a bolter or KPP gets into the eight and a top line midfielder slips to us.

[Go_Dogs]

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Happy to see Daniels in the top 15 for Champion Data.

I rate him significantly higher than every draft watcher or media person has him but rate him very highly.

[The Adelaide Connection]

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A few of the big names that missed the combine through injury were put through a 2km and medical today. I wonder if the very slow times will see any of them slide a little or whether clubs just put it down to lack of conditioning etc.

Rayner, in particular, is an interesting one (ran 2km in about 8 minutes). Also interesting that the article asserts we have interest in D. Fogarty as you would assume that would be an assumption based on which clubs had medicos there checking each of the players.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-17/rayners-2km-time-trial-nowhere-near-rivals

POTENTIAL No.1 pick Cameron Rayner has returned to running by completing a 2km time trial in front of recruiters on Friday after a knee injury ruled him out of last month's NAB AFL Draft Combine.

Rayner was one of four draft prospects to do the test at Etihad Stadium on Friday, with the Western Jets gun finishing in about 7:57 minutes.

The 18-year-old's aerobic base is considered his main query as the Brisbane Lions strongly consider him for their prized top pick at next week's draft.

To put Rayner's effort in context, the winner of the time trial at last month's national combine, Dylan Moore, completed it in 6:09 while perhaps Rayner's main challenger for the No.1 spot, Andrew Brayshaw, ran it in 6:14 at the combine.

Rayner hasn't played in nearly three months after the Jets' TAC Cup season ended and he nursed a knee injury, so there weren't high expectations among scouts for him to blitz the test on Friday.

A stronger time – recruiters suggested something around the seven-minute mark – could have gone some way to sealing his place at the top of the draft order, but his slower result is unlikely to see Rayner drop down the board as it is a recognised area for improvement for him.

South Australian Darcy Fogarty claimed the best time of the players in the trial, running approximately 7:33 seconds after overcoming a knee injury he underwent surgery on mid-season.

Fogarty is on the radar of North Melbourne, Collingwood, St Kilda and the Western Bulldogs as a top-10 pick despite struggling for form throughout this season.

Callum Coleman-Jones (7:35) and Charlie Constable (7:58) also completed the run ahead of undergoing further tests with club medicos in the afternoon.

[bulldogtragic]

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So, Fogarty at 9 if he slips. Would be a very good result if it happened.

[comrade]

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I know a 42 year old with shot ankles who barely runs these days that can still do 2km in under 8 mins. That's woeful for an elite athletic prospect at 17/18 years of age - surely he's playing possum

[GVGjr]

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I know a 42 year old with shot ankles who barely runs these days that can still do 2km in under 8 mins. That's woeful for an elite athletic prospect at 17/18 years of age - surely he's playing possum

It's not his strong point and endurance is the reason why there are some doubts on his draft position. Still as you say a tick under 8 minutes is a questionable performance even allowing for some injuries. I'm not sure if he is trying to put off Brisbane and Fremantle but I doubt it.
How ironic would it be if both Brisbane and Fremantle passed on him at picks 1 and 2 if he hasn't performed to his ability and for him to then fall to pick 5 and Fremantle to nab him there.

[Bornadog]

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Picked this up from 4 years ago:

5:30 - 6:00 min = Super Elite Athlete (Issac Smith/Mark Blicavs/Ed Curnow)
6:01 - 6:15 min = Elite AFL Player (Billy Hartung/Sam Gibson/Bradley Hill/Johnny Rayner/Patrick Ambrose/Tom Scully)
6:16 - 6:30 min = Slightly Better than average AFL Standard (Jamie Macmillan/Dan Hannebury/Ben McEvoy/Liam Shiels)
6:31 - 6:45 min = Average to Slow Standard (45% of AFL players are in this bracket)
6:46 - 7:10 min = Had a big festive season or is a Key Position player
8:13 min = Worst Performance Ever (Murray Newman 2012)

[The Adelaide Connection]

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Picked this up from 4 years ago:

5:30 - 6:00 min = Super Elite Athlete (Issac Smith/Mark Blicavs/Ed Curnow)
6:01 - 6:15 min = Elite AFL Player (Billy Hartung/Sam Gibson/Bradley Hill/Johnny Rayner/Patrick Ambrose/Tom Scully)
6:16 - 6:30 min = Slightly Better than average AFL Standard (Jamie Macmillan/Dan Hannebury/Ben McEvoy/Liam Shiels)
6:31 - 6:45 min = Average to Slow Standard (45% of AFL players are in this bracket)
6:46 - 7:10 min = Had a big festive season or is a Key Position player
8:13 min = Worst Performance Ever (Murray Newman 2012)

So all four looked as if they were having a red hot crack at the record (for slowest). It really is a strange one.

[The Adelaide Connection]

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I know a 42 year old with shot ankles who barely runs these days that can still do 2km in under 8 mins. That's woeful for an elite athletic prospect at 17/18 years of age - surely he's playing possum

The strange thing is that all four of them were super slow. Draft value tanking investigation? All trying to manipulate a fall to clubs in the window?

[divvydan]

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The arguments coming from those defending them are: 1. Coming back from inj and thus not prepared and 2. No "pacemaker" or faster runner doing the trial at the same time that keeps a higher speed up.

For point 1, if you're not able to do it properly, don't run it in the first place. At that age and being elite sporting kids, there's no justification for such a drop off even after a few months off with an injury (assuming you're able to run it at all). For point 2, whilst it's true that people tend to run faster times when running alongside/behind faster people, these times suggest that none of them showed any kind of desire to push themselves at all and that should be a warning sign to recruiters.

[GVGjr]

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The arguments coming from those defending them are: 1. Coming back from inj and thus not prepared and 2. No "pacemaker" or faster runner doing the trial at the same time that keeps a higher speed up.

For point 1, if you're not able to do it properly, don't run it in the first place. At that age and being elite sporting kids, there's no justification for such a drop off even after a few months off with an injury (assuming you're able to run it at all). For point 2, whilst it's true that people tend to run faster times when running alongside/behind faster people, these times suggest that none of them showed any kind of desire to push themselves at all and that should be a warning sign to recruiters.

I tend to think in the bigger scheme of things I can't see the teams will be scared off any of them but it does show that the guys tested need to a do a lot of work. It might push them down the order a bit but I doubt it's shocked clubs.

[The Adelaide Connection]

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The arguments coming from those defending them are: 1. Coming back from inj and thus not prepared and 2. No "pacemaker" or faster runner doing the trial at the same time that keeps a higher speed up.

For point 1, if you're not able to do it properly, don't run it in the first place. At that age and being elite sporting kids, there's no justification for such a drop off even after a few months off with an injury (assuming you're able to run it at all). For point 2, whilst it's true that people tend to run faster times when running alongside/behind faster people, these times suggest that none of them showed any kind of desire to push themselves at all and that should be a warning sign to recruiters.

Whilst I agree with this, technology is so advanced these days that you can get instant feedback about just about anything from your watch. Assuming there was noone there to push you, you click the button and find out that you are in fact running so slow that they might turn the lights out soon and you pick up the pace. Surely these kids have run 'against themselves' before?

I have seen D graders run faster than this in warm down laps when they hear there is only a few snags left on the bbq. Surely blokes with an AFL contract up for grabs don't turn out this type of performance? I bet kids in the smokey range wouldn't. Is it arrogance? Is it shenanigans? Are they that slow? Are they super banged up?

[GVGjr]

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Cal Twomey is indicating that Jarrod Brander could be a big slider so we might have a new candidate at pick 16.

From other things I've read, Adelaide isn't interested and neither are the Swans. West Coast should prefer the local boy in Allen if they are considering a tall forward. If Brisbane is considering Lachlan Fogarty at pick 15 to be paired with Rayner then we could be in a great spot to land Brander.

It's a giant jigsaw and a lot of pieces aren't fitting but it's strange that so much is open at the moment.

[Bornadog]

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Cal Twomey is indicating that Jarrod Brander could be a big slider so we might have a new candidate at pick 16.

From other things I've read, Adelaide isn't interested and neither are the Swans. West Coast should prefer the local boy in Allen if they are considering a tall forward. If Brisbane is considering Lachlan Fogarty at pick 15 to be paired with Rayner then we could be in a great spot to land Brander.

It's a giant jigsaw and a lot of pieces aren't fitting but it's strange that so much is open at the moment.

Doc would be happy

Do you think clubs are now starting to think about the "Go Home Factor" when looking at players, or do they just go for best available still. Somehow, I am thinking if they had a choice between a local player and an interstate recruit, they may go local.