2018 Draft Watch

[bulldogtragic]

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Doesn't have to be Dahl and Roughy, could be other players, or go into negative draft points. Time will tell.

Dahl or Roughy, or Dahl or Wallis. Of the three I'd prefer Wallis to stay. A high second rounder and high third rounder is sufficient to get the job done for West & Khamis, which Dahl and Roughy/Waliis will net us. All three are reported to have offers from other clubs, so to me this looks the simplest way ahead allowing two to leave as free agents. I don't want the club going negative into draft points at all.

[Bornadog]

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Dahl or Roughy, or Dahl or Wallis. Of the three I'd prefer Wallis to stay. A high second rounder and high third rounder is sufficient to get the job done for West & Khamis, which Dahl and Roughy/Waliis will net us. All three are reported to have offers from other clubs, so to me this looks the simplest way ahead allowing two to leave as free agents. I don't want the club going negative into draft points at all.

I would prefer all three to stay. I am sick and tired of losing players in their mid to late 20s and just being the youngest team.

There are plenty of other players not up to standard, like Webb, Campbell, HC.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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What about Adeliade's 13 & 19 for pick 5. They could then look to package 8 & 5 to get a top 3 pick. We get 2 picks in the first round and use one on West and the other on the best available

Wait, so 13 and West instead of 5 and West?

[bulldogtragic]

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I would prefer all three to stay. I am sick and tired of losing players in their mid to late 20s and just being the youngest team.

There are plenty of other players not up to standard, like Webb, Campbell, HC.

Webb, Campbell & HC are worthless to a strategy of securing West & Khamis, players Bevo says we want. Running negative draft points seems too dangerous to me, especially with Liberatore & Kellett next year. So we simply have to find a way of coming up with a high second rounder and a high third rounder. I don't see any other way than signing two free agents (Libba & Wally) and letting two free agents leave (Dahl & Roughy). Do you have another way of coming up with the draft points, if we re-signed all our free agents?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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I would prefer all three to stay. I am sick and tired of losing players in their mid to late 20s and just being the youngest team.

There are plenty of other players not up to standard, like Webb, Campbell, HC.

Of the three, i would really like to keep Dahl and Wallis. If we're talking 3 all-australian U/18 this year then we can lose Roughy and have some points deficit for next season. I agree that Dahl and Wally are hitting the right age group and we need to keep any decent mid that we have

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Webb, Campbell & HC are worthless to a strategy of securing West & Khamis, players Bevo says we want. Running negative draft points seems too dangerous to me, especially with Liberatore & Kellett next year. So we simply have to find a way of coming up with a high second rounder and a high third rounder. I don't see any other way than signing two free agents (Libba & Wally) and letting two free agents leave (Dahl & Roughy). Do you have another way of coming up with the draft points, if we re-signed all our free agents?

Didn't know about Libba mk III and Kellett next year! Know idea on what sort of quality they will be, but losing both Dahl and Wally scares me

[bulldogtragic]

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Of the three, i would really like to keep Dahl and Wallis. If we're talking 3 all-australian U/18 this year then we can lose Roughy and have some points deficit for next season. I agree that Dahl and Wally are hitting the right age group and we need to keep any decent mid that we have

Of the mids there's also Libba as a free agent too in the conversation. Of the 4 free agents I'd resign both Libba & Wally, and if we are confident Libba's knee will hold up he more than covers the loss of Dahl next year and beyond. Dahl probably being the most valuable, at least a second rounder and Roughy at least a third rounder. Keeping (2) Libba & Wally (hitting career best age profile), and losing (2) Dahl & Roughy (also in the range) won't hurt too much and the long term gain is enormous. As per a previous post, I'm not a fan of going into deficit.

[bulldogtragic]

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Didn't know about Libba mk III and Kellett next year! Know idea on what sort of quality they will be, but losing both Dahl and Wally scares me

I had a chat recently to someone whose view is pretty sound on talent spotting. He likes Oliver Liberatore & Josh Kellett, both are in the Calder squad as under age players this year. Kellett wins club &/or league B&F's for fun. He didn't put an exact range on where he thought they'd go, but thought the club would be picking them up. Over the years I've heard Josh Kellett is the one of the two to really watch.

[Mofra]

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Webb, Campbell & HC are worthless to a strategy of securing West & Khamis, players Bevo says we want. Running negative draft points seems too dangerous to me, especially with Liberatore & Kellett next year. So we simply have to find a way of coming up with a high second rounder and a high third rounder. I don't see any other way than signing two free agents (Libba & Wally) and letting two free agents leave (Dahl & Roughy). Do you have another way of coming up with the draft points, if we re-signed all our free agents?

We get West, Khamis, Liberatore and Kellett all at a 20% discount. If we do take all four at a discount I have no problem with going into a deficit given that deficit is likely to be small compared to the loss of Wallis or Dahl who are in the right age bracket and can play a role in our threadbare midfield.

Out 2nd and 3rd rounder next year may well cover the points with a deficit, I've heard good things about Ollie (Libba) but not much about Kellet so we don't know if he's that good anyway.

I expect Roughy to move on and I'm not sure we'd get much compo if any because I can't think of a team that would pay that much for him. Love the big fella but I'm not convinced that (in the absence of the third man up rule) he's a no 1 ruck at AFL level.

[Twodogs]

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I saw Oliver play u10s or 11s or such once against West Footscray. He was clearly more talented than the other kids but it was under 10s or whatever. I didn't know who he was until after the match finished.

[Twodogs]

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Webb, Campbell & HC are worthless to a strategy of securing West & Khamis, players Bevo says we want. Running negative draft points seems too dangerous to me, especially with Liberatore & Kellett next year. So we simply have to find a way of coming up with a high second rounder and a high third rounder. I don't see any other way than signing two free agents (Libba & Wally) and letting two free agents leave (Dahl & Roughy). Do you have another way of coming up with the draft points, if we re-signed all our free agents?

What if a club came knocking on JJ's door? I know he's contracted and all but what if we threw him into the algorithm? Would that help us not go into deficit?

[bulldogtragic]

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We get West, Khamis, Liberatore and Kellett all at a 20% discount. If we do take all four at a discount I have no problem with going into a deficit given that deficit is likely to be small compared to the loss of Wallis or Dahl who are in the right age bracket and can play a role in our threadbare midfield.

Out 2nd and 3rd rounder next year may well cover the points with a deficit, I've heard good things about Ollie (Libba) but not much about Kellet so we don't know if he's that good anyway.

I expect Roughy to move on and I'm not sure we'd get much compo if any because I can't think of a team that would pay that much for him. Love the big fella but I'm not convinced that (in the absence of the third man up rule) he's a no 1 ruck at AFL level.

I've heard good things on Oliver Liberatore & Josh Kellett. Even with the discounts, I just don't like buying something this year and having to pay for it next year not knowing the exact circumstances. That's more my personal philosophy over a line or argument, I just prefer to pay now. Then with McPherson being Vic Metro BOG in the U/16's this year, then the West Twins the year after, and more and more NGAs coming online, I'd just prefer we deal in individual years.

But arguments aside, Dahl, Roughy & Wally don't have contracts from us, but all have offers from other clubs. My bet is at least two take the offers elsewhere. With Peter Gordon now representing Gillon personally, the compo better be good!

[bulldogtragic]

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What if a club came knocking on JJ's door? I know he's contracted and all but what if we threw him into the algorithm? Would that help us not go into deficit?

I'm up for listening to offers on a few players. I'd listen to that pitch at a minimum.

[Bornadog]

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What if a club came knocking on JJ's door? I know he's contracted and all but what if we threw him into the algorithm? Would that help us not go into deficit?

Why would we do that?

[Bulldog4life]

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Why would we do that?

Agree.