Draft Machinations

[GVGjr]

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I agree.

Hasn’t turned out well for Melbourne giving up Josh Kelly for Salem and Tyson.

While this is a unique draft in terms of quality in the top 10 this isn't a draft that has an elite player like Josh Kelly was at the time that deal was struck. I do get what you are saying though.
Another way of looking at it is pick 7 this year isn't close to the quality of pick 2 in Kelly's 2013 year, and remember that year also had a guy called Bontempelli who went pick 4 and a guy called Boyd who went pick 1. Had Melbourne picked Patrick Cripps who went at #13 with one of those selections it might have looked a lot better for them though.

I couldn't see us trading pick 2 this year for two picks in the teens.

[The Adelaide Connection]

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I have no idea who this poster is and how reliable their intel normally is, but the user "Red, White and Blue" put this on BF:

"Ok, my contacts have told me that if Rozee makes it through to pick 7 the dogs will have a deal lined up with Adelaide to trade down our picks and get a second pick in before West. He also tells me the Dogs are not that keen on Caldwell.
Another contact from Linton Street has told me that if the first 3 players selected deviate at all from Walsh, Lukosious and Rankine then it will be game on with everyone scrambling to rearrange their priorities and what they can do with live picks. He also said they have several pre-arranged deals in place, one involving the Bulldogs, Saints and Adelaide that would help deliver the Dogs that vital second pick before West.
All the possible live pick deals have been thought of and set up well before Thursday night. Certain scenarios just have to materialize for them to be actioned."

I hope, as i've mentioned previously the deal is massive overs from them. It should go like this:

Us: "Oh, you want Rozee? Remember that one time that McGovern dove on the floor and got Easton Wood suspended? Empty out your draft pockets!"

[chef]

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We'd be stupid not to take Rozee. He's a top 4 talent for mine.

[GVGjr]

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We'd be stupid not to take Rozee. He's a top 4 talent for mine.

Out of Walsh, Lukosius, Rankine and M.King which one does he replace?

Gold Coast might select him at 3 to pair him with Lukosius but they could also easily wait until 6 to see if they can land him at that pick. Then there is Port at pick 5.

He might be available at pick 7 but I tend to think it's a bit of a long shot. He would be a hard player to pass on if available but maybe Adelaide or Port make a great offer to us.

[AshMac]

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Out of Walsh, Lukosius, Rankine and M.King which one does he replace?

Gold Coast might select him at 3 to pair him with Lukosius but they could also easily wait until 6 to see if they can land him at that pick. Then there is Port at pick 5.

He might be available at pick 7 but I tend to think it's a bit of a long shot. He would be a hard player to pass on if available but maybe Adelaide or Port make a great offer to us.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he replaced Rankine, I’m not expecting it but I wouldn’t be surprised. GC need to look for quality people as well as players, ones that will self motivate and lead. From the - granted little - I’ve seen of Rankine he seems to have an air of immaturity and arrogance that could struggle in the GC environment. If Rankine is overlooked by suns I think he’d end up at Freo, but agree if by any chance he got past pick 6 at Port - then I reckon the crows would be willing to part with 8 and 16 for him.

[chef]

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Out of Walsh, Lukosius, Rankine and M.King which one does he replace?

Gold Coast might select him at 3 to pair him with Lukosius but they could also easily wait until 6 to see if they can land him at that pick. Then there is Port at pick 5.

He might be available at pick 7 but I tend to think it's a bit of a long shot. He would be a hard player to pass on if available but maybe Adelaide or Port make a great offer to us.

I'd take him above King

[Bornadog]

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I wouldn’t be surprised if he replaced Rankine, I’m not expecting it but I wouldn’t be surprised. GC need to look for quality people as well as players, ones that will self motivate and lead. From the - granted little - I’ve seen of Rankine he seems to have an air of immaturity and arrogance that could struggle in the GC environment. If Rankine is overlooked by suns I think he’d end up at Freo, but agree if by any chance he got past pick 6 at Port - then I reckon the crows would be willing to part with 8 and 16 for him.

Some talk that Carlton may pick Rankine over Walsh.

[GVGjr]

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I'd take him above King

And the reasons for that decision?

[bulldogtragic]

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Am I the only one that remembers trading a plum first rounder (Curnow) for two later picks (Dunkley, Collins/delisted)? Or Josh Kelly for Tyson/traded again & Salem? Trading top picks to lower first/second round picks isn't a guaranteed good outcome, there's maybe good examples when it worked, but I'm risk adverse with pick 7. The pay off of a shithouse season is getting a top 10 pick, especially this year with a very good top 7. I'm hoping we don't get too clever.

[Bornadog]

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Am I the only one that remembers trading a plum first rounder (Curnow) for two later picks (Dunkley, Collins/delisted)? Or Josh Kelly for Tyson/traded again & Salem? Trading top picks to lower first/second round picks isn't a guaranteed good outcome, there's maybe good examples when it worked, but I'm risk adverse with pick 7. The pay off of a shithouse season is getting a top 10 pick, especially this year with a very good top 7. I'm hoping we don't get too clever.

I am with you BT, too many risks for me.

[GVGjr]

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Am I the only one that remembers trading a plum first rounder (Curnow) for two later picks (Dunkley, Collins/delisted)? Or Josh Kelly for Tyson/traded again & Salem? Trading top picks to lower first/second round picks isn't a guaranteed good outcome, there's maybe good examples when it worked, but I'm risk adverse with pick 7. The pay off of a shithouse season is getting a top 10 pick, especially this year with a very good top 7. I'm hoping we don't get too clever.

I sort of answered that with an earlier post as per below.
I also remember most were quite bullish on the first rounder for Dunkley and Curnow

I'm more than content in taking pick 7 into the draft.

While this is a unique draft in terms of quality in the top 10 this isn't a draft that has an elite player like Josh Kelly was at the time that deal was struck. I do get what you are saying though.
Another way of looking at it is pick 7 this year isn't close to the quality of pick 2 in Kelly's 2013 year, and remember that year also had a guy called Bontempelli who went pick 4 and a guy called Boyd who went pick 1. Had Melbourne picked Patrick Cripps who went at #13 with one of those selections it might have looked a lot better for them though.

I couldn't see us trading pick 2 this year for two picks in the teens.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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I also think a lot of our thinking is our confidence that Smith will still be available at that later pick (8-11). Sounds like he has scared of interstate clubs and the next VIC club to have a pick after our pick 7 is geelong at 12. I think if we believe he is still available at pick 11 we will trade down.

Of course this is very risky as we will never be 100% sure who a club will take and other VIC clubs could also trade up and trump us. I think i'd prefer just to play it safe and draft King/Caldwell/Smith at 7 and go from there.

[hujsh]

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Am I the only one that remembers trading a plum first rounder (Curnow) for two later picks (Dunkley, Collins/delisted)? Or Josh Kelly for Tyson/traded again & Salem? Trading top picks to lower first/second round picks isn't a guaranteed good outcome, there's maybe good examples when it worked, but I'm risk adverse with pick 7. The pay off of a shithouse season is getting a top 10 pick, especially this year with a very good top 7. I'm hoping we don't get too clever.

This isn't 11 for 21/22 though. The deal with Adelaide is supposedly 7 for 8 plus another first rounder. That's a very big difference from the above examples. 7 is just as likely to be a bust as 8 and 13/16 could be an Ed Richards. Maybe the person Adelaide picks comes good but being afraid to take a measured risk because you're worried someone else will make you look stupid doesn't sound like a recipe for success to me.

There's also an inbuilt assumption that we'd pick the same player with the pick we trade. If we traded Pick 11 in 2006 we'd be talking about how we should have Riewoldt when in reality we'd be missing out on Everitt/Vespremi.

If we like Smith more than whoever Adelaide want at 7 and we can get pick 8 and someone before West then we'd be silly not to take that deal.

[Remi Moses]

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This is going to be excruciating . That is for sure ! If it’s Smith ( which seems the popular opinion ) we need to be certain he’ll be there . I was a critic of what Melbourne did and still think they got it wrong .

[Sedat]

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From the - granted little - I’ve seen of Rankine he seems to have an air of immaturity and arrogance that could struggle in the GC environment. If Rankine is overlooked by suns I think he’d end up at Freo, but agree if by any chance he got past pick 6 at Port - then I reckon the crows would be willing to part with 8 and 16 for him.

One of my work colleagues is from Adelaide and played footy in the SANFL recently - he knows the Rankine family and reckons this kid is as professional and determined as anyone he has seen in SA, and it’s not just about natural talent with him. Not sure where the ‘Rankine unprofessional’ assertions are coming from. Sure he’s a flight risk but no less than Bailey Smith by the sounds.