Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

[Hotdog60]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

What about Jack Watts? Is he a rescue candidate?


He could still be a player I reckon.

I thought of Watts, But doesn't he have a habit of not going when he has to and maybe a bit soft.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

What about Jack Watts? Is he a rescue candidate?


He could still be a player I reckon.

You would have to seriously question whether Jack Watts really has the temperament and determination to ever rise above the level of mediocrity. His lack of application for a number one draftee would suggest that League football is not his destiny in spite of the opportunities he has been given to succeed. Watts may well have been successful in a stronger Club however being able to take advantage of other quality players to will him into being better focused. At the WB stage of its development I could not see Watts as being the type of player you would want to recruit IMO.

[The Underdog]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

Should we throw some big dollars here

Sloane's parents just moved from Victoria to Adelaide, so don't expect any movement there.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

Depending on the cost of getting Watts, yes. But he wouldn't be getting cut loose for chump change, so unlikely i'd guess.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

I don't rate Watts at all. Where do you play him? He doesn't find enough of the ball, he's soft, he doesn't work hard enough, he's not key position and he's slow as a mid.

His footy IQ is solid and his skills are good, but if he wasn't a number one pick, nobody would bat an eyelid IMO.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

I don't rate Watts at all. Where do you play him? He doesn't find enough of the ball, he's soft, he doesn't work hard enough, he's not key position and he's slow as a mid.

His footy IQ is solid and his skills are good, but if he wasn't a number one pick, nobody would bat an eyelid IMO.

He did a long interview last year which was an interesting view of how he works from management point of view and I think I said then off the back of that BMac would be the best coaching fit. I'd be looking at pitching to him a defensive spot over the longer term, the role that Dale currently has. He's not Dale, not close, but he's not played the second/third tall role consistently from my memory. But I'd have him working with Scarlo and Dale and trying to turn him into that type of player. As you say, he's IQ and skills are solid which is a strength of Dale's. We'd just need to back in that a different culture, coach that works with his style, a new opportunity and fresh role would work for him.

But I digress, he's not worth a top 25 pick which is what they would want. So it's a moot point.

[Twodogs]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

That's thinking outside the box. I wouldn't have thought of Jack Watts as Dales successer if you gave me 400 picks I reckon.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

That's thinking outside the box. I wouldn't have thought of Jack Watts as Dales successer if you gave me 400 picks I reckon.

We'll I try TD. Similar height, similar pace, could have a similar body shape, read play well enough, solid enough skills. If Watts could play Dale's role nearly as well his pace and the fact he sometimes looks lost at half forward are diminished. Change his shape, strengthen him up more, and hope like hell the stars align for him. A not completely dissimilar example would be Simon Prestigaicomo. Pick 1 forward, ripped to shreds by the Collingwood 'faithful' then turned very solid defender.

But I will take the easy option and cop out to say I'd back the club to take him or not take him if a trade was entertained. Last years interview was telling. He was shot by the culture and Neeld and was hoping Roos might change much of it. He needs a development BMac type when you listen to what he says.

I think Watts needs out, I think he can still make the grade. But I can't see Melbourne persisting for so long only to take peanuts and then cop the media fallout of how their club failed a number pick, especially if they're still saying they need a priority pick.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

Jack Watts has no application nor second efforts
A big resounding no for me

[Sedat]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

Jack Watts has no application nor second efforts
A big resounding no for me

That's my concern with Watts - you just can't teach that hunger and desire to compete. I reckon he has some fantastic tools - he would probably be the best field kick in the competition over 195cms - but those assets are significantly impacted by his lack of desire to compete and win his own contests.

[Greystache]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

That's my concern with Watts - you just can't teach that hunger and desire to compete. I reckon he has some fantastic tools - he would probably be the best field kick in the competition over 195cms - but those assets are significantly impacted by his lack of desire to compete and win his own contests.

That's how I feel too. He has it all there but doesn't want it enough. He's the antithesis of Clay Smith.

[Bornadog]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

That's how I feel too. He has it all there but doesn't want it enough. He's the antithesis of Clay Smith.

Would a change in club extract it out of him?

[Greystache]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

Would a change in club extract it out of him?

Who knows, maybe. I think you can improve marginally on some things with players, but in the end people are who they are to a large degree. Competitiveness is much like kicking skills, you can work on improving a player, but they're never going to go from poor to elite just by coaching.

For a player like Watts all you can do is trying to improve his competitiveness by constantly challenging him, but also try to find a role for him where it's less important. Or give him the arse obviously.

[Bornadog]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

Who knows, maybe. I think you can improve marginally on some things with players, but in the end people are who they are to a large degree. Competitiveness is much like kicking skills, you can work on improving a player, but they're never going to go from poor to elite just by coaching.

For a player like Watts all you can do is trying to improve his competitiveness by constantly challenging him, but also try to find a role for him where it's less important. Or give him the arse obviously.

Its probably a bit like Hill and Everitt, they just don't have the passion and determination even though they have the talent. Both at new clubs and only marginally better than when they were with us.

The only thing that may help a player when changing clubs is whether they have personal issues with coaches, or club staff that make them unhappy and this reflects in their attitude and the way they play.

[Happy Days]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

Watts' weaknesses really marginalise his strengths; fantastic reader of the play and intercept marker, but compromised by a lack of appetite for the contested aspect of the game and unwillingness to "go" when required. Fantastic field kick, but his lack of workrate means he can really struggle to find easy ball at times.

He's never going to get to where was prophesied but he remains an intriguing prospect.