Talking trades

[Mantis]

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Maybe we didn't want to let go of Markovic after losing Lake?

One would think ( hope) that Markovic isn't in our long terms and we try and build our defence around the likes of Talia and Roberts with Morris hopefully helping out.

[Remi Moses]

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That's is my point. If Hawthorn rated him so why didn't we wait out and get a better deal? Don't care if our club didn't rate him or he was going to leave next year for nothing, he was worth more than we got for him.
The no sense part is what we did in the deal.

You'd be the first on here moaning how we should have traded him!
You wouldn't have cared ? Please.
Disgruntled 31 y/o on big money!

[chef]

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We'll never know because it was done on day 1 of 3 week period. We didn't even try.

There was only ever one club that he was going to go to and we had spent the previous 3 weeks in discussion with them apparently. I don't see how holding out just for the sake of it would have given us a better deal.

[Bulldog4life]

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We are only guessing we would have had a better deal. Anyway its done now so we move on to the next phase.

Yes let's. Be interested now in discussing who we should target in the Draft.

[chef]

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Saints were looking for a backman, maybe younger one but they tried to get Hooker from Essendon to go to WCE.
Also he would have been a better option for Geelong to replace Scarlett for 2 seasons than Rivers.
Carlton maybe didn't have the $ but I'm sure they would improved them.
Fact is he was still quality and to a side thats close, valuable.

But Lake only wanted to go to the Hawks. It was either trade him there or have him hang around for another year.

To me he isn't the player he was 3 seasons ago and he won't have the impact Hawthorn is expecting.

[anfo27]

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That's is my point. If Hawthorn rated him so why didn't we wait out and get a better deal? Don't care if our club didn't rate him or he was going to leave next year for nothing, he was worth more than we got for him.
The no sense part is what we did in the deal.

Don't tend to agree with chops but i do on this occasion. Hawthorn could have got Lake & kept Young if we had taken Lakes contract. I bet West Coast would have got more out of Hawthorn then we did.

[LongWait]

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We'll never know because it was done on day 1 of 3 week period. We didn't even try.

How did holding out work out for Sydney, or Adelaide?

[Missing Dog]

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One would think ( hope) that Markovic isn't in our long terms and we try and build our defence around the likes of Talia and Roberts with Morris hopefully helping out.

I agree, I don't think Markovic is AFL standard. Hopefully he's just used as back up, but I'm sure if the coaching panel see it that way.

[chef]

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Don't tend to agree with chops but i do on this occasion. Hawthorn could have got Lake & kept Young if we had taken Lakes contract. I bet West Coast would have got more out of Hawthorn then we did.

I thought WCE were pretty poor in the trade period. Pick 17 for Wellingham, two picks in the 40's for Cripps and not taking a decent offer from the saints for Brown. Plus they took Morton.

[chef]

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All the more reason to make them wait and try to get a better deal. Anyway I thought he left because he want to go to club that's challenging and not necessarily Hawthorn.
I agree he isn't the same player he was but still better than they have. If Hawthorn are expecting him to be influential then maybe we should have let them believe it.

Fair enough, I've heard he was sweet talked a while back and had his heart set on only one club.

[anfo27]

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I thought WCE were pretty poor in the trade period. Pick 17 for Wellingham, two picks in the 40's for Cripps and not taking a decent offer from the saints for Brown. Plus they took Morton.

They got Morton for peanuts.

Overpaid on Wellingham.

But Brown was contracted for another year & didn't budge which made the saints up their offer to change their mind. West Coast would have got more then we did.

[Ghost Dog]

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Bmac has a man crush on Markovic. Press conferences around the time he was getting towled up by the Eagles forwards. " I love the way Lucas Markovic goes about his football".

[chef]

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They got Morton for peanuts.

Overpaid on Wellingham.

But Brown was contracted for another year & didn't budge which made the saints up their offer to change their mind. West Coast would have got more then we did.

They offered a lot more than he was worth yet the WCE didn't cash in. You could also say the Eagles would have hung onto a disgruntled player.

[mighty_west]

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That's is my point. If Hawthorn rated him so why didn't we wait out and get a better deal? Don't care if our club didn't rate him or he was going to leave next year for nothing, he was worth more than we got for him.
The no sense part is what we did in the deal.

Why? I can't see Lake lasting more than 2 seasons, we picked up Barry Hall for pick 47, both All Australians, both in their twilight when traded, I thought it was reasonable.

[LongWait]

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What's that got to do with the Lake deal? Did we cheat the salary cap as well?

The Adelaide/Sydney situation illustrates that by holding out, you increase the possibility that some other factor will intervene to your disadvantage. Holding out doesn't necessarily mean your position will improve, it is equally possible that holding out will improve the other parties' bargaining power or resolve.

St.Kilda held out on the Brown trade and missed out altogether. Sydney and Adelaide both held out over Tippett and unforseen circumstances resulted in both parties losing out.

Whose to say Hawthorn shouldn't be criticised for folding on the Lake trade when we were very motivated to get rid of Lake - maybe we would have picked up Lake's salary and not held out for the Hawks' first round pick?

To say that we should have held out and we would have received a better deal from Hawthorn is nothing but speculation on your part. You have no evidence whatsoever to support your assertions. You also ignore that the clubs had been in talks for some time before the trade period officially began.