Talking trades

[Remi Moses]

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That's a huge stretch
Hall had retired, out of contract and had his issues on field.

Hall was booted out .
Yes, he had issues on the field.
Ability wise he never lost it.
I've got no idea on what better deal you think we were going to get.

[Missing Dog]

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Jeez I think everyone is pretty harsh on Marko.
I think Marko can have a huge impact on Our Side in the next couple of years.
Had a injury ravaged season After the Crows game when he played very very Good
On Walker which could have been the making of him was cruelled by that hammy injury which derailed his season expect big things from Marko next year !

[chef]

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Jeez I think everyone is pretty harsh on Marko.
I think Marko can have a huge impact on Our Side in the next couple of years.
Had a injury ravaged season After the Crows game when he played very very Good
On Walker which could have been the making of him was cruelled by that hammy injury which derailed his season expect big things from Marko next year !

I watched that game a couple of weeks ago and was surprised at how well he played.

[Sedat]

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St.Kilda held out on the Brown trade and missed out altogether. Sydney and Adelaide both held out over Tippett and unforseen circumstances resulted in both parties losing out.

It was West Coke actually who held out on trading Mitch Brown, you know because he was under contract and all that. What I didn't hear from WC was their list manager go into a blind panic because they might lose Brown for nothing in 12 months' time.

[chef]

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It was West Coke actually who held out on trading Mitch Brown, you know because he was under contract and all that. What I didn't hear was the WC list manager go into a blind panic because they might lose Brown for nothing in 12 months' time.

And we did this?

Sounds like to me we put in three weeks of negotiations with the Hawks and signed off on the deal when Trade week started so we could focus of other deals.

[chef]

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Hall said he had enough. His desire questionable. How do compare it with Lake?

A deal. How about keeping pick 27 for starters? If a dud like Dawes and pick 58 was worth pick 20 and 45 to club at our level. A champion fb should be worth as much to a club challenging.

But he's 2 seasons past being that. To me we got a decent(not great) deal.

[Bulldog4life]

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But he's 2 seasons past being that. To me we got a decent(not great) deal.

I agree. On top of that the guy wanted out. Done & dusted.

[mighty_west]

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Hall said he had enough. His desire questionable. How do compare it with Lake?

A deal. How about keeping pick 27 for starters? If a dud like Dawes and pick 58 was worth pick 20 and 45 to club at our level. A champion fb should be worth as much to a club challenging.

Lake wanted out, just like Hall did at Sydney, wait a season and we'd get bugger all.

Goddard cost Essendon what, pick 13 or 14 and he has a few years on Lake.

[LongWait]

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So one trade of the all the 30+ would have been better if it had been done early. I'd take those odds any day knowing we didn't cheat the salary cap on Lake. The Tippett trade could have be done earlier this week without no intervention. We did ours on day 1.
Saints were never getting Mitch Brown this year. What's the difference early or late?
You don't play poker do you?

No I don't play poker - I don't gamble. I do trade financial securities for a living and I'm certain I've forgotten more about deal making and negotiating than you'll ever know.

[Mantis]

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Bmac has a man crush on Markovic. Press conferences around the time he was getting towled up by the Eagles forwards. " I love the way Lucas Markovic goes about his football".

I think Markoic fits the most important criteria to being an AFL player in the eyes of our coach.

[Sedat]

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I do trade financial securities for a living and I'm certain I've forgotten more about deal making and negotiating than you'll ever know.

With your professional background LW, I'm now even more puzzled by your glowing assessment of the final terms of the Lake trade. The fact alone that the deal was constructed in haste and consummated on day 1 of the trade period suggests that no other alternatives with the other 16 clubs were seriously canvassed (or at least fully explored), which to me is lazy and ultimately poor business practice. Exploring all available options is a cornerstone of successful negotiating and I find it very hard to believe that the full due diligence was conducted by our footy dept on the Lake scenario.

[Remi Moses]

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Hall said he had enough. His desire questionable. How do compare it with Lake?

A deal. How about keeping pick 27 for starters? If a dud like Dawes and pick 58 was worth pick 20 and 45 to club at our level. A champion fb should be worth as much to a club challenging.

He was pushed out the door. You know it !
Lake was AA two years ago.How wonderful having a guy on 500 , and sulking around .
Brian's age and salary were never going to deliver any sort of early pick.Win Win for both clubs

[LongWait]

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With your professional background LW, I'm now even more puzzled by your glowing assessment of the final terms of the Lake trade. The fact alone that the deal was constructed in haste and consummated on day 1 of the trade period suggests that no other alternatives with the other 16 clubs were seriously canvassed (or at least fully explored), which to me is lazy and ultimately poor business practice. Exploring all available options is a cornerstone of successful negotiating and I find it very hard to believe that the full due diligence was conducted by our footy dept on the Lake scenario.

How can any of us assess the Lake trade when we know almost nothing about it? What we don't know about this trade could fill pages on this board.

I have not offered a "glowing assessment of the financial terms of the Lake trade." Please point to any post by me that does so.

Has it occurred to you that both parties may have done reasonably well from the Lake trade? Business, in my experience, is not usually about winning and losing - it is more often about both parties reaching common ground on the relative value of an asset. If every club tried to 'win' each trade there would soon be no trades being conducted.

I am trying to point out to Chops (and you it appears) that we know so little of what occured in the Lake trade that any analysis by us is necessarily guesswork and a reflection of reasonably superficial impressions we have. I'm also trying to demonstrate that sweeping generalisations such as 'we must have been bent over the table because the trade was done on the first day' are laughable - there are two parties to the trade and we could equally say that Hawthorn concluded the trade with undue haste and could have achieved a better deal had they hung out for longer.

I find it bloody amusing mostly, and infuriatingly frustrating at times, that some on here consider their own assessments and conclusions of trades as gospel. We all will have varying opinions on lots of subjects and I'm completely ok - no - I'm bloody glad, that I don't see the world through the dark, sceptical and pessimistic glasses that some on here constantly wear.

[Remi Moses]

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Well Put^^
Every decision,on here is met with extreme Negativity.
I mean EVERY DECISION

[LongWait]

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Well Put^^
Every decision,on here is met with extreme Negativity.
I mean EVERY DECISION

Amen brother.

We all support the Bulldogs ffs! Sometimes we behave like Richmond in its' darkest hour.