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  • Bornadog
    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
    • Jan 2007
    • 65851

    Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

    Bulldogs to hold firm on demands for Bailey Smith

    The Western Bulldogs will demand more than Geelong?s first-round draft pick before they agree to trade uncontracted midfielder Bailey Smith as they brace for an extended negotiation during trade period.

    Geelong?s first-round pick is now pick 17 after band one compensation was awarded to St Kilda for losing free agent Josh Battle to Hawthorn and the Giants for losing Harry Perryman to Collingwood.

    It will drift out further to pick 20 or 21 on draft night in November, depending on when bids arrive for opposition players with connections to specific clubs through the AFL?s priority access draft rules.

    Lions father-son prospect Levi Ashcroft, the Suns? academy graduate Leo Lombard and Essendon?s Next Generation Academy product Isaac Kako are all certain to attract bids before Geelong?s first pick, while the Lions? academy graduate Sam Marshall may also attract a bid.

    Although the Bulldogs accept they don?t have access to those four players, a club source who wished to remain anonymous ahead of trade discussions said that having access to the 20th best talent in this year?s national draft was not adequate compensation for Smith, who played 103 games for the Bulldogs after they used pick seven in the 2018 national draft to select him.

    The 23-year-old Smith ruptured his anterior cruciate ligament in December, which forced him to miss this season as he recovered from the knee reconstruction. He had not finished in the top 10 of the club?s best and fairest in two seasons before then.

    He has acknowledged battling mental health issues in the football fishbowl that is Melbourne and the Cats are entitled to argue there is some risk attached to offering him a long-term deal given he has not been at his best since his outstanding 2021 finals series and his suspension midway through 2022, when he was charged with conduct unbecoming as photographs and videos emerged of him taking an illicit drug.

    However, the Cats have also been in Smith?s ear to join the club as the exciting playmaker?s form dropped off. The flamboyant Bulldog has been an ambassador for the Geelong-based fashion retailer Cotton On for several seasons.

    He did not attend the Bulldogs? best and fairest last Wednesday and was seen watching the preliminary final with Cats supporters.

    Geelong have driven a harder bargain at the trade table in recent seasons and the Bulldogs? negotiating power is limited with Smith out of contract.

    The Dogs could contemplate forcing him to the pre-season draft, but that would seem unlikely as they would receive nothing for him, although the Cats would not want that option raised either.

    Geelong received picks 25, 76 and 94 when they traded uncontracted tall Esava Ratugolea last year and have picks 17, 38, 56, 74 and 92 plus future picks in hand as they enter this year?s trade period.
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    • bulldogsthru&thru
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • May 2011
      • 7682

      Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

      Originally posted by chef
      Annoying as **** how Geelong and Baz have played us with this deal. Only thing to be determined is how hard they screw us.

      We should have been trying to push him out 12 months ago.
      I can't believe we didn't. We would've known the guys a twat. Even Dunkley still wanted out a second time which we didn't learn from.

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      • chef
        Hall of Fame
        • Nov 2008
        • 14541

        Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

        Originally posted by bulldogsthru&thru
        I can't believe we didn't. We would've known the guys a twat. Even Dunkley still wanted out a second time which we didn't learn from.
        I'd probably be fine with Baz screwing us now if we at least tried last preseason, but we didn't.
        The curse is dead.

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        • Happy Days
          Hall of Fame
          • May 2008
          • 10058

          Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

          Originally posted by azabob
          How do we do that?

          If we do not make the trade Smith is still a 90% chance to get to Geelong and they keep their first round pick.
          So you?re saying there?s a chance?

          We just need Richmond to come to the party and confirm they?ll pick him and we?re on.
          - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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          • Grantysghost
            Bouncing Strong
            • Apr 2010
            • 18820

            Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

            We will take pick 20 something and probably feel good about a swap of 45 for 43 or something and move on.

            Brace thyselves. It's what happens when you let a contract expire for a guy that's been out the door for 18 months.
            BT COME BACK!​

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            • Mantis
              Hall of Fame
              • Apr 2007
              • 15275

              Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

              Originally posted by Grantysghost
              We will take pick 20 something and probably feel good about a swap of 45 for 43 or something and move on.

              Brace thyselves. It's what happens when you let a contract expire for a guy that's been out the door for 18 months.
              Probably not our fault his knee blew out when it did.

              If he was coming off a break out year on the back of more midfield time we would hold more power, but alas we are where we are.

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              • azabob
                Hall of Fame
                • Sep 2008
                • 15177

                Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

                Originally posted by Grantysghost
                We will take pick 20 something and probably feel good about a swap of 45 for 43 or something and move on.

                Brace thyselves. It's what happens when you let a contract expire for a guy that's been out the door for 18 months.
                Yep, Dunkley is the first example and Smith is the second example. Here is hoping JUH isn't the third example.
                More of an In Bruges guy?

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                • Grantysghost
                  Bouncing Strong
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 18820

                  Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

                  Originally posted by Mantis
                  Probably not our fault his knee blew out when it did.

                  If he was coming off a break out year on the back of more midfield time we would hold more power, but alas we are where we are.
                  There's also off-field stuff that the clubs would be very aware of that many in the outer may not be.
                  BT COME BACK!​

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                  • Grantysghost
                    Bouncing Strong
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 18820

                    Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

                    Originally posted by azabob
                    Yep, Dunkley is the first example and Smith is the second example. Here is hoping JUH isn't the third example.
                    My man Marra is as loyal as they come

                    (I'm worried).
                    BT COME BACK!​

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                    • bulldogsthru&thru
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • May 2011
                      • 7682

                      Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

                      Originally posted by Mantis
                      Probably not our fault his knee blew out when it did.

                      If he was coming off a break out year on the back of more midfield time we would hold more power, but alas we are where we are.
                      I feel like Geelong would play this game no matter what.

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                      • bulldogsthru&thru
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • May 2011
                        • 7682

                        Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

                        Originally posted by Grantysghost
                        My man Marra is as loyal as they come

                        (I'm worried).
                        Well then he's traded for Butters next year

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                        • Mofra
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 14848

                          Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

                          Originally posted by bulldogsthru&thru
                          I can't believe we didn't. We would've known the guys a twat. Even Dunkley still wanted out a second time which we didn't learn from.
                          Keeping Dunks got us into a Grand Final.
                          Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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                          • Grantysghost
                            Bouncing Strong
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 18820

                            Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

                            Originally posted by Mofra
                            Keeping Dunks got us into a Grand Final.
                            Exactly why we should have got rid of him. Then I wouldn't have that in my memory banks. Wait I already don't...
                            BT COME BACK!​

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                            • Mantis
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 15275

                              Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

                              Originally posted by bulldogsthru&thru
                              I feel like Geelong would play this game no matter what.
                              Of course, but the media narrative would be completely different if he?d had a big year.

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                              • bulldogsthru&thru
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • May 2011
                                • 7682

                                Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

                                Originally posted by Mofra
                                Keeping Dunks got us into a Grand Final.
                                I meant we should have offloaded him at the end of 2021. I get his case was a bit different. He may well have intended to stay but he saw a repeat of things he didn't like in 2022. We also may have thought we were a legit chance at the flag in 2022 and the brisk of keeping him in his last contract year was worth it. I would understand that.

                                But he still left and we got unders. That's the lesson right there for avoiding this situation with Smith.

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