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Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list
Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list
Originally posted by Rocco Jones
Does Zeph post here?
I think Cordy is different for 3 main reasons:
- always had at least one clear role he he could play at highest level. Skinner doesn't. Not strong enough to be a KP and his fitness means he can't be a small/medium type.
- Ayce is a year younger.
- Cordy 11 > Zeph 12, meaning he is at least 2 years ahead in development.
You're a fan and that's fair enough. I hope you are right. I am not saying just dump him btw, I think he fits the rookie list.
Some good points there Rocco
Like all tall, lean types, takes a bit longer to develop. Has a long way to go, but at pick 88, what did we expect? Not his job to live up to the hype that others create. Cordy would have been top 10 if taken in the draft.
I'm a fan, first and foremost, of a fair go and comparing apples with apples.
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Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list
Originally posted by Ghost Dog
Some good points there Rocco
Like all tall, lean types, takes a bit longer to develop. Has a long way to go, but at pick 88, what did we expect? Not his job to live up to the hype that others create. Cordy would have been top 10 if taken in the draft.
I'm a fan, first and foremost, of a fair go and comparing apples with apples.
Earlier you compared Zeph and Buddy... as far as apples go, they're not in the same orchard.
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Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list
Originally posted by AndrewP6
Earlier you compared Zeph and Buddy... as far as apples go, they're not in the same orchard.
Both are a long way from home. Both have the X-factor that you are never quite sure can be realized in the dog eat dog world of AFL. Liam Jarrah is another to compare him to. Just can't say which way it will go.
It was Rocket who helped hype him up as being able to leap tall buildings. He didn't hype himself up.
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Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list
Originally posted by Ghost Dog
Both are a long way from home. Both have the X-factor that you are never quite sure can be realized in the dog eat dog world of AFL. Liam Jarrah is another to compare him to. Just can't say which way it will go.
It was Rocket who helped hype him up as being able to leap tall buildings. He didn't hype himself up.
Zeph is from a remote indigenous community, Buddy was born in Perth and later went to Wesley College. Zeph has potential at best, Buddy is freakishly talented.
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Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list
Originally posted by AndrewP6
Zeph is from a remote indigenous community, Buddy grew up in Perth and went to Wesley College. Zeph has potential at best, Buddy is freakishly talented.
Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list
Concede. Bad example.
Let's hope he doesn't go the way of Liam Jarrah at least.
You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus
Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list
Originally posted by Ghost Dog
Concede. Bad example.
Let's hope he doesn't go the way of Liam Jarrah at least.
On field he's well behind Liam Jurrah
In Cordy's first season as a skinny HF option he would at least get to contests, which is more than Zeph has shown at Willy. I'd love for him to prove me wrong but we need to cull pretty hard in the upcoming draft and I'm not sure "potential X factor" is going to be enough for us. I'll take dependable 1.5 goals per game over a highlights reel that can't run out 120 minutes.
Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list
Originally posted by Mofra
On field he's well behind Liam Jurrah
In Cordy's first season as a skinny HF option he would at least get to contests, which is more than Zeph has shown at Willy. I'd love for him to prove me wrong but we need to cull pretty hard in the upcoming draft and I'm not sure "potential X factor" is going to be enough for us. I'll take dependable 1.5 goals per game over a highlights reel that can't run out 120 minutes.
No, disagree here. Zeph has been chasing really hard in the forward 50. I just feel he is on the verge of stringing together a few good games, particularly if the conditions are dry.
He has had a game in Darwin ( very greasy ) and two at Willy which have been very wet and muddy. Wait and see. Again, not really worse than Jong.
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Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list
Originally posted by Ghost Dog
No, disagree here. Zeph has been chasing really hard in the forward 50. I just feel he is on the verge of stringing together a few good games, particularly if the conditions are dry.
He has had a game in Darwin ( very greasy ) and two at Willy which have been very wet and muddy. Wait and see. Again, not really worse than Jong.
Not sure why you are sticking up for him when clearly he has shown about 5 minutes of potential in every match he has played.
The whole WOOF board wants him to do well but it seems you are the only one who is unrealistic about his progress to date.
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Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list
Originally posted by Ghost Dog
No, disagree here. Zeph has been chasing really hard in the forward 50. I just feel he is on the verge of stringing together a few good games, particularly if the conditions are dry.
He has had a game in Darwin ( very greasy ) and two at Willy which have been very wet and muddy. Wait and see. Again, not really worse than Jong.
I don't want to have a running battle but Darwin as in the place he has played the majority of his footy? Darwin the place that typically has greasy conditions? I thought he got a game due to being SUITED to the conditions. IMO he is a psudeo chaser. He chases hard when the ball is within 5-10 metres but he struggles to move any other time. It looks like he chases when I watch him on TV but I get a very different picture when I am actually at a game.
Jong is more than 3 years younger than Skinner and has definitely shown a lot more to warrant a game for Willy already.
For my money for Skinner to have any chance of a decent AFL career, he will have to go from having as bad as a tank as you'll see to having a very good one. I don't see it happening.
Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list
Originally posted by bornadog
Not sure why you are sticking up for him when clearly he has shown about 5 minutes of potential in every match he has played.
The whole WOOF board wants him to do well but it seems you are the only one who is unrealistic about his progress to date.
Because, It's a bit more complicated than graduating from a Grammar school here in Melbourne where you go to the gym three times a week, have a VCE or TAFE education, have English as your first language, go to AFL games on the weekend from a young age, get to take part in clinics and have access to training opportunities. I'll leave it there and watch his progress with interest. He has a small window and has to take his chance now or rightly so, can't see how he can justify his spot. The risk is worth it and think people are underestimating what he can bring to the club, if mentored in the right way.
You obviously prefer that everyone agree with each other BAD.
You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus
Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list
Originally posted by Ghost Dog
Because, It's a bit more complicated than graduating from a Grammar school here in Melbourne where you go to the gym three times a week, have a VCE or TAFE education, have English as your first language, go to AFL games on the weekend from a young age, get to take part in clinics and have access to training opportunities. I'll leave it there and watch his progress with interest. He has a small window and has to take his chance now or rightly so, can't see how he can justify his spot.
Whilst I disagree with your overall assessment of Zeph, I do agree with you about the influence and effect of different environments and their conditions.
Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list
Originally posted by Ghost Dog
Because, It's a bit more complicated than graduating from a Grammar school here in Melbourne where you go to the gym three times a week, have a VCE or TAFE education, have English as your first language, go to AFL games on the weekend from a young age, get to take part in clinics and have access to training opportunities. I'll leave it there and watch his progress with interest. He has a small window and has to take his chance now or rightly so, can't see how he can justify his spot. The risk is worth it and think people are underestimating what he can bring to the club, if mentored in the right way.
You obviously prefer that everyone agree with each other BAD.
Well summarised GD. We sometimes forget where people come from and how far back they actually start.
Unfortunately as you have said, AFL is a cutthroat business and he needs to show dramatic improvement to stay on the list.
Hopefully he can because he certainly would add something different to our forward line mix we currently a screaming out for.
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