Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[LostDoggy]

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What about Tutt. He has hardly played I know but the rest of the year is important for him to show his value to the club. Also if Roberts and Talia are looking good then maybe one of Austin or Marko becomes redundant too.

This season has shown us the value in having your Markovics and Austins on the list. Wouldn't have thought that Talia and Roberts will come on rapidly enough that we can get rid of those guys.

[AndrewP6]

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Playing devils advocate... Do we trade Lake at the end of this year, his currency has returned and would be high, and there are a few teams that would kill for a key defender.

And in the process we lose our best one? No thanks.

[LongWait]

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I agree with Andrew - Lake is by so far our best defender that we would have to receive a stupid over-the-odds offer before we would even think about trading him.

Club culture is a fragile thing and it seems that the playing group are happy and have bought in to the McCartney game style and plan. Lake is a leader and it would be unwise to shop him around unless he really wants out.

[LostDoggy]

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I agree with Andrew - Lake is by so far our best defender that we would have to receive a stupid over-the-odds offer before we would even think about trading him.

Club culture is a fragile thing and it seems that the playing group are happy and have bought in to the McCartney game style and plan. Lake is a leader and it would be unwise to shop him around unless he really wants out.

Whilst I agree with this; we'd surely take 2 1st round draft picks for Lake to set up our future and to let him win a flag elsewhere (if the opportunity was there). You certainly wouldn't force a trade on Lake though.

[jazzadogs]

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Whilst I agree with this; we'd surely take 2 1st round draft picks for Lake to set up our future and to let him win a flag elsewhere (if the opportunity was there). You certainly wouldn't force a trade on Lake though.

That's not going to be offered for a 30+ year old though. I think if we receive an offer for him, they should acknowledge the offer as they would any other. But unless it is weighted in our favour, I wouldn't take it.

[Remi Moses]

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Travis Boak?
Personally haven't seen alot of Port play ( they've been to putrid to consider)
Like to know what peoples thoughts are?

[Remi Moses]

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Matty Panos is not going anywhere , he is in the middle of a program at the moment , he got sent to defense at Willi to work on the defensive side of his game and now he's back at HF showing what he did or did not learn , General Mac wants Matty to lift his game to a level where he can push for selection , I,m looking forward to seeing him wearing the Hoops

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Agree, can't work out why people want Panos out!
They're clearly looking to improve his defensive side and also help him get some football in the back half. I think Mulligan and Hooper are certainties to go.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Travis Boak?
Personally haven't seen alot of Port play ( they've been to putrid to consider)
Like to know what peoples thoughts are?

I actually think Boak is a bit overrated. Skills aren't anything special and he isn't blessed with pace. He can win his own ball from stoppages/clearances and thus bring other players into the game, but with Libba/Wallis I don't think we really need him.

I know that the terms 'outside' and 'inside' are somewhat blurred these days, but Boak is definitely more of a contested player -- of which we have plenty of.

Just on Panos, I like him as a player and I hope he makes it, but he'll need a pretty solid second half of the year to keep his spot IMO. I'd say it's mainly due to this being a 'super draft' in which we will probably have 5-7 picks. Reality is somebody has to make way, and a KPP who struggles to get enough of the ball could fit this bill.

[LostDoggy]

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Club culture is a fragile thing and it seems that the playing group are happy and have bought in to the McCartney game style and plan. Lake is a leader and it would be unwise to shop him around unless he really wants out.

100% correct.
Look at what Melbourne is going through. Proof it isn't as simple as completely flushing your team and using a heap of kids.

[GVGjr]

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100% correct.
Look at what Melbourne is going through. Proof it isn't as simple as completely flushing your team and using a heap of kids.

Exactly right Hairy.
While we do need to plan for our future, we still need to live in the here and now.

Lakey is head and shoulders our best KPP on the list. And having him around for Roberts, Talia, Austin etc to learn from over the next couple of years, would be worth more to us than some marginal opposition player, and another draft pick.

The worst thing the club could do right now is demonstrate they don't value loyalty in the present environment [ free agency], and have our youngsters become accustomed to being part of a regularly losing team.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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Agree, can't work out why people want Panos out!
They're clearly looking to improve his defensive side and also help him get some football in the back half. I think Mulligan and Hooper are certainties to go.

My understanding is that Panos isn't any certainty to survive beyond this year with the MC expecting more from him.

[azabob]

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My understanding is that Panos isn't any certainty to survive beyond this year with the MC expecting more from him.

On or off the field?

[Missing Dog]

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There's no way I'd be trading Lake either.
I'd consider trading Tom Williams depending what's offered up, can hardly get on the park.
Clayton and the Gold Coast might be interested.

[Dancin' Douggy]

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I can't see any reason why we would trade away Sherman. Still young, has speed and still plenty of upside.

I would like to see Campbell, Jong and Austin retained on the rookie list, unless they show something over the rest of the season to say they deserve a spot. At this stage they would not be ahead of others in their position, and can therefore stay as rookies throughout next year unless we get a LTI.

Addison won't go.

Gilbee, Moles, Mulligan, Hooper seem to be the universally agreed delistings, I have no problems with that. Djerkurra and Skinner need to make the most of the opportunities they are getting.

I think the perception of what Sherman is, is greater than the sum of his parts.
He might have goal sense when he's only 5 meters out and crumbing a pack, he has got pace when he's running around like a headless chook. And yes, maybe he fits the profile of number of games played and age, but I would trade him OUT in a heartbeat.

As a player I would apply the following tags. Flashy, Lazy, Selfish, Reactive.
Reactive may be the most damning of all. He doesn't create anything.
He finishes off well if he's lucky enough (not SMART enough) to be in the right place at the right time).
I would rather lose Sherman than Skinner.

Just noticed he's been 'omitted ' this week. Maybe Bmac and I are on the same page.

[LostDoggy]

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If we trade out Sherman we would get bugger all for him. 2 trades in 2 years?
Certainly less than the end round 1 compo we paid for him.
Can't see it happening.

As for keeping Skinner before him. That's just ridiculous. What's he done?