Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[FrediKanoute]

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But those players didn't get us there. I get why Eade and the other coaches went down that road but Eagleton for example was probably kept 2 season past his best.

Not going to disagree, The Eagle and Johnno's last season were non-events. In their defence, we were close in 2009. We added Hall in 2010, won the NAB Cup and the decision to go with an experienced squad looked a good decision. I doubt any other team would have cut deeply in the middle of a premiership window.

[F'scary]

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You missed Hargrave there F'scary. I can't agree with much of what you have written.

Ok, maybe Murphy should have one more season. Happy?

[F'scary]

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How many (slabs) have you had to drink tonight?

Not enough to kill the pain. I'm logging off now.

[GVGjr]

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Ok, maybe Murphy should have one more season. Happy?

With what you have written? No way. It's way too ruthless and would rip the heart out of the club and leave us with a vastly poorer list. Basically it would set us back 5 years.

We are struggling with getting supporters to the games now and to get them to sign up as members but your cut or dump approach would simply be the death knell for the club.

Would you be happy with that?

There is no way Morris or Murphy should be delisted or traded.

[Sedat]

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It ain't easy to list manage

It has certainly proven to be well beyond the capabilities of James Fantasia. Hopefully Jason McCartney makes a much better fist of the role.

[GVGjr]

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It has certainly proven to be well beyond the capabilities of James Fantasia. Hopefully Jason McCartney makes a much better fist of the role.

In fairness to him it's only because of a lack of funding to the footy department that forced this role onto him. He has had other more pressing duties over the years.
I've been as critical of him on a few issues but we can't blame him for everything wrong with the list. If you don't have the time and the resources to manage the position properly then errors will follow and I think Fantasia deserves at least some latitude. Eade could have imposed himself a bit more on some of the list management decisions because I'm sure they weren't all done in splendid isolation.

Lets see how Jason McCartney goes.

[Evel]

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With what you have written? No way. It's way too ruthless and would rip the heart out of the club and leave us with a vastly poorer list. Basically it would set us back 5 years.

We are struggling with getting supporters to the games now and to get them to sign up as members but your cut or dump approach would simply be the death knell for the club.

Would you be happy with that?

There is no way Morris or Murphy should be delisted or traded.

You have to give credit to the Hooper idea though. I'd buy 10 memberships if the club pulled that one off.

[Ghost Dog]

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It ain't easy to list manage, and in a perfect world where we were travelling well, maybe we could afford to persist with Zeph. I'm not trying to be contrary, I am just well aware of the need to make possibly 4 changes at a minimum just to be able to use our first 3 rounds of draft picks. How else do we make the changes necessary to use our current picks unless some difficult and possibly some unfair decisions might need to be made.

Precedent and fairness don't really come into it in these situations, and we cannot manage our list by precedent. That Mulligan and Hooper have remained on our list for this period of time in addition to the decision to activate our pick for Sam Reid this year might highlight why we have list problems at present.

Ghost Dog giving blokes like Mulligan and Hooper all the opportunity in the world is the reason we are in this with our list management.

GVG identified 3 years ago we are not cutting deeper enough with our fringe players like Mulligan, Hooper, Skinner etc and now it is coming back to bite us.

These are good points. A series of bad list decisions have culminated big holes in the list.

Granted; precedent argument. But guys, having said all that, Woop Woop to Darwin to Melbourne is a pretty steep learning curve. Saw Skinner up close in Ballarat and he's a footy player who wants it badly, can run, and is learning. I'd give him a at least the chance to have two winters in Melbourne before booting him out of the doghouse. He's pretty young too, remember that. At the end of the day, at least he offers some forward defensive pressure. In other words, at least he can run. Watching our blokes plod after their goal sneaks today was annoying to say the least. FWD pressure is something we seriously suck at. Was like Sydney had an extra quarter of a field today.

[Ghost Dog]

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I've seen him at the Players Sponsors room mention that because of his fused ankle he's concerned he won't be able to walk without considerable pain when he's 40. The impression he gave was that he would would look strongly at retiring when this contract was up. I respect him as a player and it's a hard decision but I tend to agree that he would have to be convincing to get another deal for 12 months.
With the state of our list and our ladder position it's just that much harder to justify keeping guys like Hargrave on. We don't want to lose 5 or 6 of the experienced guys at the end of next season so we might have to gently push one or two of them this year despite them potentially having another 12 months in them.

Thanks for that insider info GVGjr, I guess it's for the best then.

[Missing Dog]

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You can't drop a listed player back to the rookie list. You have to delist them and try to re-draft them - and hope no-one else picks him up

I know, as I said I don't rate him and it wouldn't worry me if we lost him.
I think Kyle Hartigan is just as good and this draft has quite a good number of good key defenders to pick from.

Why don't you rate Marko? What do you see as his biggest deficiencies. Sorry, but I'm a Marko fan.

Can be a little limitted to the forwards he can take, too slow. Allows the ball get to the back too often for my liking and under pressure his decision making can be a little iffy at times. Provides little rebound from defence.

Ah it's ok bulldogsman, I didnt think you would rate Mulligan.

In this years draft crop do you think we will be able to get a quality midfielder with skills but also fits the McCartney mould of attacking the ball?

For sure. It looks to be a midfielders draft.

I'm looking very closely at Josh Simpson, Rory Atkins and Troy Menzel at the champs. McCartney would love Atkins.

[Ghost Dog]

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Can be a little limitted to the forwards he can take, too slow. Allows the ball get to the back too often for my liking and under pressure his decision making can be a little iffy at times. Provides little rebound from defence.

Considering that he is still young, can we hope for some improvement in the areas you mentioned above?

Then, imagine Brian getting injured. What might our contingency plan be?
( considering Williams is out and Morris has a question mark hanging over his leg ). How are we going to match up against sides with two tall forwards?

[Remi Moses]

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Apparently the younger Menzel had Lars surgery a few years ago.
Just hope it's not a family thing

[chef]

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Whats our Vet list status?

[LostDoggy]

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I don't think we will be able to keep and maybe even want to keep either Minson or Roughead.
Number of clubs looking for experienced rucks.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Whats our Vet list status?

Lake, Murphy and Gia all qualify next year. Maybe Boyd (next year will be his 10th?)


Actually, I think the first 3 qualified this year but we already had Gilbee and Hargrave on the vets list. In that case Cross will also be eligible next year.