Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[Bornadog]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Still, I wonder if clubs wished they had taken the risk with Buddy Franklin? .

How is a top 5 pick a risk?

The reality is we need to delist some players at the end of the year, and unless Skinner does something dramatic in the second half, he may be gone.

[Ghost Dog]

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I'm not making that call but come the end of the season I think we need to have a good look if we have the time and the resources to continue to develop him and if he can make that step.



If the team was traveling better then people have heaps of patience so given our performance to date it's no surprise that a lot of the fringe players are under more scrutiny than the last few seasons. I acknowledge the points you have raised but we still have to ask the question if he is worth it. It's early days but I think it's a question that needs to be asked at the end of the season.

Absolutely. He needs to get on with it.

For all those Skinner deriders; Did they watch him on the weekend? He was at the very least, competitive.
There were a lot worse players on the field.

Distinctive as a player, fans are pretty quick to jump on his back. Perhaps it's the fans fault for being unrealistic with their expectations? May not make it to AFL level? maybe. Too early to tell? definitely.

How is a top 5 pick a risk?

The reality is we need to delist some players at the end of the year, and unless Skinner does something dramatic in the second half, he may be gone.

Regards Buddy, IIRC, questions over his character resulted in him being overlooked by Richmond.

Hawks had pick 2 and 5, Richmond 1 and 4. Bulldogs 3.

[Rocco Jones]

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The reality is we need to delist some players at the end of the year, and unless Skinner does something dramatic in the second half, he may be gone.

Agreed.

We have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. I would have both Austin and Campbell clearly ahead of Skinner for a spot on the senior list. Of course we would ideally keep the pair on the rookie list but ideally we would have everyone on the minimum wage. Instead of thinking of it as the rookie list, we should think of it as the conditions we are offering them. A one-year contract for $60-70k and you're only a chance to pay a game if someone gets injured for 8+ weeks. I think the pair are almost guaranteed to get an offer to join a senior list.

That means 7 picks. When it comes to delistings, I think about whether I would be interested in the play if they were Williamstown listed. If that was the case with Panos and Skinner, would we want the club to draft them? I think they are rookie draft picks at best.

Gilbee, Mulligan, Moles and Hooper are gone. That means one more player. I would let Shaggy decided whether he wants to stay around for a year. Really not sure who would go if Shaggy decides to stay on. Perhaps trade 2 picks for an upgrade.

[LostDoggy]

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For all those Skinner deriders; Did they watch him on the weekend? He was at the very least, competitive.
There were a lot worse players on the field.

Yes Redpath was worse. Not many others.
I don't have the stats for the box hill game yet but if it was on average this year, it would be about 8 possessions at vfl level.

http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=192531900&client=1-118-10459-204557-16771078

Is that competitive because I'd be surprised if he got many more than 5 yesterday.

Why do need to believe in something that simply isn't there?

[Ghost Dog]

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Yes Redpath was worse. Not many others.
I don't have the stats for the box hill game yet but if it was on average this year, it would be about 5 possessions.

http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=192531900&client=1-118-10459-204557-16771078

Is that competitive because I'd be surprised if he got many more than 5 yesterday.

Why do need to believe in something that simply isn't there?

Who did or didn't watch the game? Lots you can observe from a game that stats won't tell. Especially when you are trying to develop players.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Absolutely. He needs to get on with it.

For all those Skinner deriders; Did they watch him on the weekend? He was at the very least, competitive.
There were a lot worse players on the field.

Distinctive as a player, fans are pretty quick to jump on his back. Perhaps it's the fans fault for being unrealistic with their expectations? May not make it to AFL level? maybe. Too early to tell? definitely.

He barely touched it!

This year (not counting yesterday as the stats aren't up) he has 4 goals for the year and is averaging 7.8 touches a game.

That is pathetic by any measure.

[Rocco Jones]

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He barely touched it!

This year (not counting yesterday as the stats aren't up) he has 4 goals for the year and is averaging 7.8 touches a game.

That is pathetic by any measure.

He is definitely judged differently than others due the perceived massive pay off. Well it worked for Jack and his magic beans so why not us and Zeph?

Funny thing is, he is viewed more kindly than most 2 year players yet he is already 22. I'd try and re-draft him as a rookie.

[AndrewP6]

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I did watch the game, and Skinner didn't do much.

[Ghost Dog]

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He barely touched it!

This year (not counting yesterday as the stats aren't up) he has 4 goals for the year and is averaging 7.8 touches a game.

That is pathetic by any measure.

Stick at it Zephi. The key forward is one of the toughest gigs in the game. In the same way that a lot of people said Cordy would never make it, you have a window and just stick to your guns keep at it.

Indigenous people have a history of steep hills to climb and lots of us are behind you. Think you have something special to add to the team.

[LostDoggy]

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Ok I concede. I went to the game and watched the second half on tv.
The way Skinner fumbled and ran under the marking contest was like no other.
Future star.

[Rocco Jones]

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Stick at it Zephi. The key forward is one of the toughest gigs in the game. In the same way that a lot of people said Cordy would never make it, you have a window and just stick to your guns keep at it.

Indigenous people have a history of steep hills to climb and lots of us are behind you. Think you have something special to add to the team.

Does Zeph post here?

I think Cordy is different for 3 main reasons:
- always had at least one clear role he he could play at highest level. Skinner doesn't. Not strong enough to be a KP and his fitness means he can't be a small/medium type.
- Ayce is a year younger.
- Cordy 11 > Zeph 12, meaning he is at least 2 years ahead in development.

You're a fan and that's fair enough. I hope you are right. I am not saying just dump him btw, I think he fits the rookie list.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Ok I concede. I went to the game and watched the second half on tv.
The way Skinner fumbled and ran under the marking contest was like no other.
Future star.

I laughed.

GD, you really are blinded by what the club does/throws out in the media.

It is ridiculous that Skinner is on the senior list of an AFL club. We picked him because we thought Collingwood were interested in him. I don't call that astute drafting.

If he's lucky he may be rookied.

[Mantis]

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I laughed.

GD, you really are blinded by what the club does/throws out in the media.

It is ridiculous that Skinner is on the senior list of an AFL club. We picked him because we thought Collingwood were interested in him. I don't call that astute drafting.

If he's lucky he may be rookied.

Is this statement based on fact or fiction?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Is this statement based on fact or fiction?

I'm fairly certain it was Zeph, but maybe it was Thorne?

Either way, Collingwood were interested in one of them as a rookie so we used our last pick.

[Rocco Jones]

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I'm fairly certain it was Zeph, but maybe it was Thorne?

Either way, Collingwood were interested in one of them as a rookie so we used our last pick.

Thorne/Collingwood rumour rings a bell.