Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[Hot_Doggies]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Crumbers is definitely what we are lacking.

Todd Banfield?

[Bumper Bulldogs]

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I don't see the logic in this. What would be the impact on the playing personnel to cut a one club player and Brownlow medalist like that?

We apparently want loyalty from players but equally we want to be able to treat them poorly when it suits us.

I agree with this GVGjr, however it is going to be a talking point for the rest of his career, at this point with the side playing poorly he is in our best 22 (just) next year with some improvement in the younger guys and the fact that we will more than likely blood a few more kids, do we really have room for him in our side?

Surly we could send him off for a special op overseas and assess hem for next year, I don't see much benefit in playing him now the way he appears to be.

Is he the type of person who would coach?

I now he's not your normal type but he may just have something to add to BMacs team. I would happerly flick Shagga Grant and give the gig to Coons

[The Pie Man]

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I agree with this GVGjr, however it is going to be a talking point for the rest of his career, at this point with the side playing poorly he is in our best 22 (just) next year with some improvement in the younger guys and the fact that we will more than likely blood a few more kids, do we really have room for him in our side?

Surly we could send him off for a special op overseas and assess hem for next year, I don't see much benefit in playing him now the way he appears to be.

Is he the type of person who would coach?

I now he's not your normal type but he may just have something to add to BMacs team. I would happerly flick Shagga Grant and give the gig to Coons

Cooney doesn't strike me as an assistant coach in waiting - without knowing anyone involved, I'd bet Daniel Cross goes down that path post playing career...based on how he presented at a post match presser earlier this year.

Too early for Higgins, but either media or a footy role would no doubt beckon post playing also.

[jeemak]

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I reckon Cooney could do anything he put his mind to when it comes to football (non-playing unfortunately).

He's played the dumb knockabout role throughout his teens and early twenties, though all that did was disguise an underlying determination to succeed.

[Eastdog]

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Cooney has been a very good player for our club with of course winning the 2008 Brownlow medal. It is unfortunate that his knees are shot and that he is not as damaging as he used to be. Could there as I mentioned in the Cooney-gone thread another role he could play in the team the maybe would be better suited for him at this stage of his career and with the concerns with his knees.

[LostDoggy]

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Realistically, does anyone think we will be any good next year or in the next few years if we don't take drastic action?

Our list has been in decline for some time, as many have identified hard decisions needed to be made a lot earlier. However, on this thread (which has trading in the title), I don’t see a discussion on trading which is a hard decision. If this draft is as good as many say, we really need to take advantage by trading players out who aren’t going to be around when we are good, but still keeping enough players to be relatively competitive (noting we aren’t that competitive with these players, so what do we have to lose?).

Some of these players are favourite sons and great servants, but realistically we are giving them a chance of a premiership, while we get a chance for a quality rebuild.

Needless to say, we need to ensure our recruiting is up to speed if we are going to gamble on the draft.

So in my view, its not enough to just delist players, we seriously need to look at trading some of our very good players while they have some currency and before they can take advantage of the free agency and possibly walk. We need to recognise the market is changing to an EPL soccer style arrangement where you trade people before their contract expires.

As much as possible trade players we have an excess of, so ball winning poor ball users, and ruckmen. We need to back Cross, Wallis, Libba, Addison, Smith, Campbell, Cordy and Minson to fill the breach. Runners like Griffin, Sherman and Cooney (if fit) should be retained.

So:

Trade:

Brian Lake - has another year on contract but is still a quality player and could be the difference between a premiership or not for a top club. If Hawthorn were to miss out this year they would have to be interested in a gorilla, especially if we topped up his salary in return for say their first round pick in the high teens.

Trading Lake is not as big a gamble as it looks, as one wonders if he won't renew his contract anyway based on his media performances...don't give a club a chance to screw us, get on the front foot and take advantage.

Shaun Higgins – His development has stalled. Not sure that he would have a lot of currency. May be worth a pick in the thirties or forties

Jordan Roughead, with Campbell and Cordy and Minson, we have enough rucks, trade him for a pick in 20’s-30’s

And now for the most controversial one…

Matthew Boyd – He has been a great player, and still is, although I would love to see his statistics for possessions to advantage (not just efficient ie a handball to a player 1 metre away under pressure, but to advantage, noting his efficiency is at the bottom end for mids anyway). The way we have recruited says we have more than enough players to play his type of role (not at his level for winning ball admittedly, but possibly better users). See what we could get for him, again a first round pick would be the price. And agains clubs like Hawthorn, Carlton, Collingwood would have to look at Boyd - again we could top up his salary to inflate the trade price.

So:

Trade Lake, Boyd, Higgins and Roughead

Picks: 5 (1st Rd),6 (Ward comp), 16 (Lake), 17(Boyd), 24 (2nd Rd), 25(Roughead), 40(Higgins), 42 (3rd Rd)



Delist/Trade: Gilbee, Moles, Mulligan, Hooper, Djerkurra, Boyd, Roughead, Lake, Higgins


Upgrade: Campbell

[AndrewP6]

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Realistically, does anyone think we will be any good next year or in the next few years if we don't take drastic action?

Our list has been in decline for some time, as many have identified hard decisions needed to be made a lot earlier. However, on this thread (which has trading in the title), I don’t see a discussion on trading which is a hard decision. If this draft is as good as many say, we really need to take advantage by trading players out who aren’t going to be around when we are good, but still keeping enough players to be relatively competitive (noting we aren’t that competitive with these players, so what do we have to lose?).

Some of these players are favourite sons and great servants, but realistically we are giving them a chance of a premiership, while we get a chance for a quality rebuild.

Needless to say, we need to ensure our recruiting is up to speed if we are going to gamble on the draft.

So in my view, its not enough to just delist players, we seriously need to look at trading some of our very good players while they have some currency and before they can take advantage of the free agency and possibly walk. We need to recognise the market is changing to an EPL soccer style arrangement where you trade people before their contract expires.

As much as possible trade players we have an excess of, so ball winning poor ball users, and ruckmen. We need to back Cross, Wallis, Libba, Addison, Smith, Campbell, Cordy and Minson to fill the breach. Runners like Griffin, Sherman and Cooney (if fit) should be retained.

So:

Trade:

Brian Lake - has another year on contract but is still a quality player and could be the difference between a premiership or not for a top club. If Hawthorn were to miss out this year they would have to be interested in a gorilla, especially if we topped up his salary in return for say their first round pick in the high teens.

Trading Lake is not as big a gamble as it looks, as one wonders if he won't renew his contract anyway based on his media performances...don't give a club a chance to screw us, get on the front foot and take advantage.

Shaun Higgins – His development has stalled. Not sure that he would have a lot of currency. May be worth a pick in the thirties or forties

Jordan Roughead, with Campbell and Cordy and Minson, we have enough rucks, trade him for a pick in 20’s-30’s

And now for the most controversial one…

Matthew Boyd – He has been a great player, and still is, although I would love to see his statistics for possessions to advantage (not just efficient ie a handball to a player 1 metre away under pressure, but to advantage, noting his efficiency is at the bottom end for mids anyway). The way we have recruited says we have more than enough players to play his type of role (not at his level for winning ball admittedly, but possibly better users). See what we could get for him, again a first round pick would be the price. And agains clubs like Hawthorn, Carlton, Collingwood would have to look at Boyd - again we could top up his salary to inflate the trade price.

So:

Trade Lake, Boyd, Higgins and Roughead

Picks: 5 (1st Rd),6 (Ward comp), 16 (Lake), 17(Boyd), 24 (2nd Rd), 25(Roughead), 40(Higgins), 42 (3rd Rd)



Delist/Trade: Gilbee, Moles, Mulligan, Hooper, Djerkurra, Boyd, Roughead, Lake, Higgins


Upgrade: Campbell

While we're at it, change the colours, move headquarters and give the club a new name! Seriously, trade out an AA full back and a prolific ball winner/ club b&f/ club captain/ one of the hardest working blokes on the place? A surefire way to rip the guts right out of the club- EJ and Charlie would be spinning in their graves. I can sort of see the sense in Roughy, although I'm not sure he has much currency on the market. Likewise Higgins. As for Addison being one to fill the breach, I'm speechless.

[Eastdog]

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While we're at it, change the colours, move headquarters and give the club a new name! Seriously, trade out an AA full back and a prolific ball winner/ club b&f/ club captain/ one of the hardest working blokes on the place? A surefire way to rup the guts right out of the club- EJ and Charlie would be spinning. I can sort of see the sense in Roughy, although I'm not sure he has much currency on the market. Likewise Higgins. As for Addison being one to fill the breach, I'm speechless.

With Cooney Andrew could he play in another role for the team see he had these injury concerns? While we certainly need to cull our list we have to make sure that we don't cull too much which I think is very important moving forward.

[F'scary]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Realistically, does anyone think we will be any good next year or in the next few years if we don't take drastic action?

Our list has been in decline for some time, as many have identified hard decisions needed to be made a lot earlier. However, on this thread (which has trading in the title), I don’t see a discussion on trading which is a hard decision. If this draft is as good as many say, we really need to take advantage by trading players out who aren’t going to be around when we are good, but still keeping enough players to be relatively competitive (noting we aren’t that competitive with these players, so what do we have to lose?).

Some of these players are favourite sons and great servants, but realistically we are giving them a chance of a premiership, while we get a chance for a quality rebuild.

Needless to say, we need to ensure our recruiting is up to speed if we are going to gamble on the draft.

So in my view, its not enough to just delist players, we seriously need to look at trading some of our very good players while they have some currency and before they can take advantage of the free agency and possibly walk. We need to recognise the market is changing to an EPL soccer style arrangement where you trade people before their contract expires.

As much as possible trade players we have an excess of, so ball winning poor ball users, and ruckmen. We need to back Cross, Wallis, Libba, Addison, Smith, Campbell, Cordy and Minson to fill the breach. Runners like Griffin, Sherman and Cooney (if fit) should be retained.

So:

Trade:

Brian Lake - has another year on contract but is still a quality player and could be the difference between a premiership or not for a top club. If Hawthorn were to miss out this year they would have to be interested in a gorilla, especially if we topped up his salary in return for say their first round pick in the high teens.

Trading Lake is not as big a gamble as it looks, as one wonders if he won't renew his contract anyway based on his media performances...don't give a club a chance to screw us, get on the front foot and take advantage.

Shaun Higgins – His development has stalled. Not sure that he would have a lot of currency. May be worth a pick in the thirties or forties

Jordan Roughead, with Campbell and Cordy and Minson, we have enough rucks, trade him for a pick in 20’s-30’s

And now for the most controversial one…

Matthew Boyd – He has been a great player, and still is, although I would love to see his statistics for possessions to advantage (not just efficient ie a handball to a player 1 metre away under pressure, but to advantage, noting his efficiency is at the bottom end for mids anyway). The way we have recruited says we have more than enough players to play his type of role (not at his level for winning ball admittedly, but possibly better users). See what we could get for him, again a first round pick would be the price. And agains clubs like Hawthorn, Carlton, Collingwood would have to look at Boyd - again we could top up his salary to inflate the trade price.

So:

Trade Lake, Boyd, Higgins and Roughead

Picks: 5 (1st Rd),6 (Ward comp), 16 (Lake), 17(Boyd), 24 (2nd Rd), 25(Roughead), 40(Higgins), 42 (3rd Rd)



Delist/Trade: Gilbee, Moles, Mulligan, Hooper, Djerkurra, Boyd, Roughead, Lake, Higgins


Upgrade: Campbell

I like your thinking. But I would retain Boyd (just can't do that to the captain) & Djerkurra (one more season). Trade / delist Hargrave & Cooney. Trade Grant. Delist Gia.

[Rocco Jones]

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Sorry to be harsh but some fans just have no idea. Trade Boyd? Do we get that these guys are not robots? We expect them to stay loyal, yet suggest trading our captain?

I find it amusing that the fans who demand we trade Cross, Boyd etc are the some fans who bring out the pitchforks when a player leaves for more cash.

[Remi Moses]

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Just wasted a minute of my life reading that.
When we adopt those ideas and lose by 20 goals every week, they'll then want the coach sacked and the doors padlocked. Not a hope in Haitis of that happening!

[Bornadog]

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Melbourne says hello

[Eastdog]

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I don't think we should be trading our captain. He can provide the experience to the younger brigade coming up as someone they can look up to.

[Ghost Dog]

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Trade Boyd? Dreaming! Fans would riot. I'd be one of them. See Avatar above.
Brian is one ouf our best players. Watch the game last week. Why on earth would you want to trade him?

[AndrewP6]

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With Cooney Andrew could he play in another role for the team see he had these injury concerns? While we certainly need to cull our list we have to make sure that we don't cull too much which I think is very important moving forward.

Yes he can.