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  • GVGjr
    Moderator
    • Nov 2006
    • 45531

    #151
    Re: 2017 Draft Watch

    Originally posted by The Doctor
    Kelly looks exactly the type of player we need.

    Might have to use 26 to get him
    You would think GC might have a go at getting him as well

    I don't think clubs could wait until thew 30's to snare him.
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    • The Doctor
      Coaching Staff
      • Jan 2007
      • 3709

      #152
      Re: 2017 Draft Watch

      Originally posted by GVGjr
      You would think GC might have a go at getting him as well

      I don't think clubs could wait until thew 30's to snare him.
      well they have a swag of 2nd round picks they could use and could look quite favourably at getting a couple of ready to go players.

      New coach Dew needs to takes a firm hand with the recruiting. Be interesting to see what happens there.

      Apparently we like Houlahan from SA
      Listening to Brahm's 3rd Racket

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      • GVGjr
        Moderator
        • Nov 2006
        • 45531

        #153
        Re: 2017 Draft Watch

        Originally posted by The Doctor
        well they have a swag of 2nd round picks they could use and could look quite favourably at getting a couple of ready to go players.

        New coach Dew needs to takes a firm hand with the recruiting. Be interesting to see what happens there.

        Apparently we like Houlahan from SA
        A good mid sized forward is Houlahan, tested well at the combine. We recruited Greene and Lipinski last year as mid forwards.

        Agree that Dew needs to put his stamp on recruiting.
        Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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        • choconmientay
          WOOF Member
          • Dec 2009
          • 1312

          #154
          Re: 2017 Draft Watch

          Knightmare: The best mature-age draft prospects

          Recruitment of mature-age prospects from the state leagues has proven increasingly valuable over recent years. More clubs now look to fill their list weaknesses with ready-to-go state league talent; in fact each of the past seven premiership sides have possessed at least two players drafted out of the state leagues, underlining the importance of scouting the lower levels.

          The recent success stories of those who bypassed the traditional junior systems to the AFL are plentiful. Third in Richmond's best and fairest count, Kane Lambert -- who hails from VFL club Williamstown -- shared in Richmond's premiership success with Nathan Broad, who was drafted from WAFL club Swan Districts.

          The previous year, long-time Western Bulldogs champions Matthew Boyd and Dale Morris both tasted the ultimate success after finding their way into the AFL via VFL clubs Frankston and Werribee respectively. Former Swan Shane Biggs and Tory Dickson both hail from disbanded VFL club Bendigo.

          Incredibly, Sam Mitchell, Josh Gibson (originally drafted by North Melbourne), Ben Stratton, Isaac Smith and Paul Puopolo were all drafted as mature-age prospects via state league clubs - they each played in all three of Hawthorn's premierships between 2013 and 2015.

          Most years, mature-age prospects come into draft contention from around pick 40 onwards when the better portion of the most promising juniors have been selected. This year, the dynamic appears no different.

          The following players may be considered by AFL recruiters through the second half of the national draft and the subsequent rookie draft.

          This year, the leading state league prospect is South Fremantle midfielder Tim Kelly, who was one of two mature-age prospects to receive a national draft combine invite. The 23-year-old is an athletic, goalkicking midfielder who kicked 26 goals from 23 games. Kelly often wins the ball cleanly on the move, moves well through traffic and is also a damaging ball user. The highlight to Kelly's season was a 35-disposal, seven-goal performance in Round 11 against East Fremantle.

          The other mature-age prospect to receive a national combine invite was Adam Sambono. The speedy 20-year-old forward showed promise in the NEAFL for Northern Territory Thunder, kicking 32 goals from 11 games. A late starter to football, Sambono, who won the NEAFL Rising Star Award, is super-talented and will appeal to AFL clubs due not only to his goalkicking instincts but his tackling pressure.

          Starring at the WA state combine, Liam Ryan registered a 2.89 second 20m sprint and is arguably the best forward outside the AFL, kicking 73 goals from 23 games. The 21-year-old forward is a human highlight reel, playing an instinctive style of football. He has built a reputation for his high-flying heroics and kicking freakish goals.

          Another of the talented forwards in this draft is Casey's Bayley Fritsch. Turning 21 in December, Fritsch was named to the VFL team of the year across half-forward. After enduring an injury plagued few years, Fritsch put together an impressive season kicking 42 goals from 19 games. There is a feeling that Fritsch is untapped and has the scope to develop into anything, maybe a half-back-flanker, with his long but damaging left foot kick, pace and contested marking among his weapons.

          Winning the Sandover Medal ahead of South Fremantle teammate Tim Kelly, ex-Docker Haiden Schloithe elevated his game in 2017, gathering 624 disposals, 142 marks, 84 tackles and kicking 30 goals from 22 games while using the ball at 77 percent efficiency. Schloithe, a once talented forward, greatly enhanced his contested ball-winning capabilities in 2017 and may be the best midfielder outside the AFL.

          Taking out the NEAFL MVP award, Jordan Keras -- soon-to-be the brother-in-law of Patrick Dangerfield -- is one of the other appealing midfield prospects. Keras, 23, averaged 35 disposals, 10 clearances and 16 contested possessions for Southport and is arguably the premier stoppage player outside the AFL. His endurance and work rate are also noteworthy and key strengths.

          Geelong VFL co-captain and renowned tackling machine Tom Atkins over his last three matches registered a mind-boggling 52 tackles. His strongest performance through that run came against Collingwood's VFL side where he registered 25 disposals, 23 tackles and two goals in a best on ground performance. The 22-year-old midfielder from his 28 games over the past two seasons has kicked 23 goals, highlighting his danger around the big sticks.

          One of this year's most exciting outside speedsters is overager Oskar Baker. Baker, previously cut from the Brisbane Academy, is one of the most exciting state league line-breakers. He takes the game on relentlessly and possesses outstanding pace and hurt factor. He also isn't shy taking shots on goal, kicking 17 goals from 15 games with 15 of those goals coming from his last nine games.

          Arguably let go too soon, Blaine Johnson, in his second WAFL season since being delisted by Carlton stood out for South Fremantle kicking 59 goals from 23 games. The 22-year-old forward while a big-time goal kicker also critically pressures well, securing 74 tackles.

          Winning Carlton's VFL best and fairest award convincingly and getting named to the VFL's team of the year at centre-half-back, ex-Port Adelaide defender Cameron O'Shea led the VFL with 111 marks from 18 games. The 25-year-old is a tall running defender who not only provides rebound but also can negate the influence of opposition forwards.

          Of those in the draft mix, one of the best kicks outside the AFL belongs to left-footed half-back-flanker Brett Bewley. The 22-year-old is a clean, efficient, left-foot kick who racks up the ball off half-back. While not blessed with pace, he won the yo-yo endurance test at the Victorian state combine.

          Turning 24 before this year's AFL draft, Alex Boyse at 190cm is one of the more intriguing forwards. He's a contested marking threat who works hard, pushing high up the ground and also possesses excellent speed and athleticism. Boyse kicked 31 goals from 16 VFL games.

          After being viewed by many as unlucky not to be drafted in 2016, Ex-Collingwood rookie Jye Bolton again starred in the WAFL through the midfield. The 25-year-old midfielder played his best football through the second half of the season, gathering 344 disposals during his last 11 matches.

          From South Australia, midfielder Patrick Wilson is one of the leading draft chances. Turning 23 before the end of the year, Wilson is a strong-bodied, contested ball-winning midfielder who also hits the scoreboard with 18 goals from 19 games.

          Unlucky to be overlooked in 2016, Jordan Sweet as an overage ruckman played most of the season in the SANFL Reserves. His form has been strong, winning the hitout battle more weeks than not, finding the ball around the field and hitting the scoreboard for eight goals from his 17 games. Sweet also held his own in his two League opportunities where he was named one of the best players on ground on debut, kicking one goal in each of his two games.

          The other South Australian to emerge on AFL draft radars is ex-Melbourne speedster Dominic Barry. Barry kicked 16 goals from his 18 games. It is Barry's speed and endurance that appeals to AFL clubs, giving him something few have.
          It always seems impossible until it's done. Nelson Mandela

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          • chef
            Hall of Fame
            • Nov 2008
            • 14746

            #155
            Re: 2017 Draft Watch

            I'd steer clear of Sambono as he struggled to adapt to a city as small a Darwin and went walkabout a few times .
            The curse is dead.

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            • LostDoggy
              WOOF Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 8307

              #156
              Re: 2017 Draft Watch



              I've mentioned Lochie O'Brien in a couple of threads as someone I think would fit us very well. The AFL website just posted a profile as above.

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              • GVGjr
                Moderator
                • Nov 2006
                • 45531

                #157
                Re: 2017 Draft Watch

                Originally posted by PeanutsPeanuts
                http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-2...n-with-weapons

                I've mentioned Lochie O'Brien in a couple of threads as someone I think would fit us very well. The AFL website just posted a profile as above.
                Good player, great long kick and plenty of athleticism. Probably doesn't quite get enough of the ball but he should be in the mix for us at pick 16.
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                • GVGjr
                  Moderator
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 45531

                  #158
                  Re: 2017 Draft Watch

                  If you assume that the top 4 picks are a raffle between Raynor, Dow, Davies-Uniacke and Stephenson with D.Fogarty and Cerra very close to that mark it leaves a number of options for us at pick 9.

                  I suspect Brayshaw won't get past the Saints and they might and if Fremantle don't chase the local boy in CHB Naughton then he or the versatile KP Brander could also be in the Saints sights. If any or all of these 3 slide through then we should add them to the list

                  It then comes to us with a number of other terrific options still available.
                  Nick Coffield with his pace, athleticism and footy nous
                  Aiden Bonar with his freakish athleticism.
                  Clarke with his kicking skills and versatility.
                  Constable who is a competitive inside mid
                  Higgins, O'Brien, Allen, Balta and Richards are all around the mix for pick 16

                  I wonder if we could pressure a couple of the clubs between pick 9 and 16 to take Kelly or Ryan by making a lot of noise we are intending to take one of them at 16? Of course if we were interested in them then we say nothing but if we want to thin the list a bit further it would be great if we could spook West Coast or Brisbane into jumping early for one or both of them.


                  I think we will do really well and it will certainly be an early night for Dalrymple and the team.
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                  • kruder
                    Coaching Staff
                    • May 2011
                    • 3912

                    #159
                    Re: 2017 Draft Watch

                    Brandon Starcevich 187 cm 88 kg
                    20m Sprint- 2.87 seconds
                    Running vertical leap- 91 cm
                    Agility- 8.08

                    Grab the stats from big footy but impressive numbers to go along with an excellent all star game. I'm surprised he isn't in more top 30 lists looked a player for mine. Can win his own ball and get off the chain and score, potentially a player that would start on a flank but with the ability to go into the midfield for sure has a touch of class and is a good size. I'd consider him at 16 reach or no reach.

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                    • GVGjr
                      Moderator
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 45531

                      #160
                      Re: 2017 Draft Watch

                      Originally posted by kruder
                      Brandon Starcevich 187 cm 88 kg
                      20m Sprint- 2.87 seconds
                      Running vertical leap- 91 cm
                      Agility- 8.08

                      Grab the stats from big footy but impressive numbers to go along with an excellent all star game. I'm surprised he isn't in more top 30 lists looked a player for mine. Can win his own ball and get off the chain and score, potentially a player that would start on a flank but with the ability to go into the midfield for sure has a touch of class and is a good size. I'd consider him at 16 reach or no reach.
                      I've got some 50 players ranked at the moment and he is at number 31. I like the fact that you are offering a different point of view and your analysis of him is very good. He could very well be a flyer and taken in the early 20's. I'm not sure someone will go for him as early as 16 though.

                      Just on the results you have added, they weren't results from the National Combine earlier this month. Perhaps they were from earlier this year. Starcevich was hampered by a quad injury and missed a lot of testing at the Combine. He did not compete in the kicking, speed, agility or Yo Yo testing. I can confirm he measured in at 186.6cm and 84.4kg.

                      Intriguing player and hard to work out where he might land. He's got a great work ethic and is well known for his repeat efforts. He can play in a variety of positions and is a good blend of being able to play both the inside or outside midfield roles.
                      West Coast are well placed to get him but he could attract an early selection
                      Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                      • kruder
                        Coaching Staff
                        • May 2011
                        • 3912

                        #161
                        Re: 2017 Draft Watch

                        Originally posted by GVGjr
                        I've got some 50 players ranked at the moment and he is at number 31. I like the fact that you are offering a different point of view and your analysis of him is very good. He could very well be a flyer and taken in the early 20's. I'm not sure someone will go for him as early as 16 though.

                        Just on the results you have added, they weren't results from the National Combine earlier this month. Perhaps they were from earlier this year. Starcevich was hampered by a quad injury and missed a lot of testing at the Combine. He did not compete in the kicking, speed, agility or Yo Yo testing. I can confirm he measured in at 186.6cm and 84.4kg.

                        Intriguing player and hard to work out where he might land. He's got a great work ethic and is well known for his repeat efforts. He can play in a variety of positions and is a good blend of being able to play both the inside or outside midfield roles.
                        West Coast are well placed to get him but he could attract an early selection
                        The results were from the WA combine https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl-dra...-ng-b88629473z

                        I actually was getting confused with him at Bonar during the game they both were pretty prolific but I would say he was as impressive. Only one game but it was against the best of his peers so has to carry weight along with combine results. Wow your right about West Coast they have 4 picks in the second round they will be all over him.

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                        • The Bulldogs Bite
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 11407

                          #162
                          Re: 2017 Draft Watch

                          Would we consider Bonar at 9 or 16?
                          W00F!

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                          • Missing Dog
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 8501

                            #163
                            Re: 2017 Draft Watch

                            Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
                            Would we consider Bonar at 9 or 16?
                            I'd take him at pick 9, he could be the best player in the draft.

                            Twoomey reckons he could go in the first dozen.

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                            • bulldogtragic
                              The List Manager
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 34289

                              #164
                              Re: 2017 Draft Watch

                              Originally posted by bulldogsman
                              I'd take him at pick 9, he could be the best player in the draft.

                              Twoomey reckons he could go in the first dozen.
                              Most phantom drafters with a decent record all have him going before 16 by my memory. So if we want him, it's probably at 9. With the likes of O'Brien likely there at 16, they're two pretty hands young sorts to add to Trengove, Schache & Crozier.
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                              • GVGjr
                                Moderator
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 45531

                                #165
                                Re: 2017 Draft Watch

                                Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
                                Would we consider Bonar at 9 or 16?
                                I'm not sold on him at 9. Agree with Bulldogsman that he could be be a star but I'd wouldn't be worried if we tried to get him at 16.
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