Jamarra and the Points System Strategy

[Twodogs]

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You need to upgrade your dial up modem

Straight after giving up on the AFL site i watched it on YouTube. No problem at all.

The hamster in the wheel powering the AFL site must have fallen asleep.

[divvydan]

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I haven't been able to watch any videos from the AFL site in months on my preferred browser (firefox). Not sure what's going on as i've turned off everything (ublock, add-ons,etc) that might be stopping it. Works perfectly fine on chrome though.

[GVGjr]

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I haven't been able to watch any videos from the AFL site in months on my preferred browser (firefox). Not sure what's going on as i've turned off everything (ublock, add-ons,etc) that might be stopping it. Works perfectly fine on chrome though.

I've checked Firefox and it works fine, perhaps clear the cache might work

[Grantysghost]

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Framlingham teen Jamarra Ugle-Hagan out to inspire next generation of Indigenous youth on eve of AFL draft

Jamarra Ugle-Hagan's already been dubbed the heir apparent to AFL champion Lance 'Buddy' Franklin, despite the fact he's yet to play a game at the top-level.
The 18-year-old key forward's AFL career will officially commence at next month's National Draft, where he's tipped by many to be taken with the first overall pick.

The draft has been 12 years in the making for the prodigious footballer, who honed his craft surrounded by his tight-knit family in the Framlingham Aboriginal Reserve.

He's looking to become the first Indigenous footballer since Des Headland in 1999 to be taken first in the draft, however it's a 'first' of a different nature that means the most to his community in south-west Victoria.


Ugle-Hagan's one of five brothers born in the south-west Indigenous community on the outskirts of Warrnambool.

He spent his junior years playing football in the local league, before being offered a scholarship to Scotch College in Melbourne where he lived as a boarding resident for his final four years of high school.

The teenager initially grappled with the offer.


It meant focussing his life on football, saying goodbye to his extended family and moving more than three hours away to start his education in the comparative rigidity of the private school system.

In the end, it was an opportunity too good to refuse. And one Ugle-Hagan said changed his life forever.

"I'm the first male in my family to finish Year 12, which is something pretty special," he said.

"Obviously it opens opportunities for my younger cousins and brothers, but it's also a good achievement to finish school, especially coming from an Indigenous community.

"At the end of the day, yes it's my dream to play AFL. And if I make it there, it's obviously going to make my little brothers and cousins look up to me and have that belief they can make it too."

Ugle-Hagan approaches his schooling with the same easy professionalism as his football.


He knows how important a milestone it is in his community to have an Indigenous male finish high school in a year that's had more curveballs than most.

Ugle-Hagan returned home amid the Coronavirus pandemic lockdown periods in Melbourne, training with his father and cousins between studying for his VCE.

"This year's been like a long pre-season for him really, just waiting to play a game," his father, Aaron Hagan, said.

"He's as fit as he's ever been."

Draft disarray

Ugle-Hagan's name has been thrown around as a 'potential pick one' before he was even eligible for the draft, after the forward dominated alongside future top-two picks Matt Rowell and Noah Anderson in 2019.

At 16, he dominated in the Oakleigh Chargers' Premiership year, kicking 24 goals in nine games.


However the pandemic struck-down any thoughts he had of besting his under-age efforts in 2020.

"It's been such unique year, half the boys in the pool haven't played a game," AFL talent ambassador, Kevin Sheehan said.

The 'Buddy Franklin' tag has surrounded Ugle-Hagan for two years now, and it's an assessment that Sheehan believes is on the mark.


"Jamarra's a very, very promising athlete. I think he's got some intangibles you want as a young player getting ready for a professional career as well, and that's the character side of things," he said.

"His athletic ability for a start is rare; we measure speed, we measure agility, we measure their vertical jump, and he's rare in all those categories and we see thousands of kids over a period of time.

"He's in the top couple of percent in that area, and that matches the football he's played."

It's a prospect that will have Western Bulldogs fans licking their lips.

Ugle-Hagan's tied to the Dogs' 'Next Generation Academy', meaning they can use draft points to match any rival club's bid on the talent and ensure he starts his career at Whitten Oval.

More than just a good footballer
At home in Framlingham, Ugle-Hagan exhibits a maturity well beyond his years.

The pre-draft butterflies have yet to kick-in, and he's more focused on his role as an emerging leader in Framlingham.

But he doesn't underestimate the role he can play as a professional athlete.

"I wanna make the younger kids look up to me, and I hope I do at the moment with school and stuff and that's why I love coming home," he said.


"It's my dream to play AFL but I'm thinking of the bigger picture always.

"If I make it and get the career I want, hopefully it changes the opportunities for other boys and girls as well. And not just Indigenous boys, multicultural kids as well, to give them that freedom to have that belief they can make it to the main stage, even if it's not football, just life in general"

"My family is going to help me through the way, even if the footy doesn't work out they're still going to be behind my back and push me to the be the best person I can be."

The AFL draft will be held online on December 9.

[Grantysghost]

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Good article from ABC South - West with some background information.

[divvydan]

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I really hope we don't allow too much pressure to be put on the lad. He's clearly a good prospect but right now, comparing him so directly to one of the greats of the game is such a high bar that it almost certainly leads to "underperforming", relative to that bar. Hopefully once the draft is done, he'll become just another player and be able to earn his spot like anyone else.

[Grantysghost]

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I really hope we don't allow too much pressure to be put on the lad. He's clearly a good prospect but right now, comparing him so directly to one of the greats of the game is such a high bar that it almost certainly leads to "underperforming", relative to that bar. Hopefully once the draft is done, he'll become just another player and be able to earn his spot like anyone else.

We can get Moz to chase him around at training, and if he escapes he's better than Buddy.

[jazzadogs]

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We have traded pick 26 to the Giants for pick 29 and 52. Good result for points, but interestingly also uses a pick from the Treloar trade which is in its weird state of non-completion.

[Mofra]

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170 point gain as it stands. We can cover a bid at pick 1 now.

[GVGjr]

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We have traded pick 26 to the Giants for pick 29 and 52. Good result for points, but interestingly also uses a pick from the Treloar trade which is in its weird state of non-completion.

Excellent result, I wonder if we have worked out what pick JUH might go

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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Excellent result, I wonder if we have worked out what pick JUH might go

Am I right in thinking if JUH is bid:
* pick one (3000 points), with a 20% discount (2400) this would still chew up all of our points value picks 29,33,41,42,52 and 54 - (worth 2489 points) leaving us with pick 90 as our next pick.
* pick 2 (2517 points) with 20% discount (2015 points) would chew up picks up to and including pick 42, leaving us with 52,54
*pick 3 (1878) with 20% discount (1503) would chew up picks up to and including pick 41, leaving us with 42, 52 and 54.

BT would know better but I don't think we have the spots to use 4 draft picks, so I reckon we expect the bid to be either pick one or 2?

[Grantysghost]

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Am I right in thinking if JUH is bid:
* pick one (3000 points), with a 20% discount (2400) this would still chew up all of our points value picks 29,33,41,42,52 and 54 - (worth 2489 points) leaving us with pick 90 as our next pick.
* pick 2 (2517 points) with 20% discount (2015 points) would chew up picks up to and including pick 42, leaving us with 52,54
*pick 3 (1878) with 20% discount (1503) would chew up picks up to and including pick 41, leaving us with 42, 52 and 54.

BT would know better but I don't think we have the spots to use 4 draft picks, so I reckon we expect the bid to be either pick one or 2?

Could it be a case of plan for the worst hope for the best? I have no idea how close to their chest clubs play their cards but I would assume given the importance of recruitment and competitiveness of the competition it would be pretty close.
It is interesting to extrapolate what we might do given the cards we hold.

[Bulldog Joe]

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Am I right in thinking if JUH is bid:
* pick one (3000 points), with a 20% discount (2400) this would still chew up all of our points value picks 29,33,41,42,52 and 54 - (worth 2489 points) leaving us with pick 90 as our next pick.
* pick 2 (2517 points) with 20% discount (2015 points) would chew up picks up to and including pick 42, leaving us with 52,54
*pick 3 (1878) with 20% discount (1503) would chew up picks up to and including pick 41, leaving us with 42, 52 and 54.

BT would know better but I don't think we have the spots to use 4 draft picks, so I reckon we expect the bid to be either pick one or 2?

So unless it is pick 1 we will have something left. This also allows the possibility we could trade the remaining picks to a club with an NGA remaining to jump back into the 2nd round perhaps.

[Axe Man]

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Am I right in thinking if JUH is bid:
* pick one (3000 points), with a 20% discount (2400) this would still chew up all of our points value picks 29,33,41,42,52 and 54 - (worth 2489 points) leaving us with pick 90 as our next pick.
* pick 2 (2517 points) with 20% discount (2015 points) would chew up picks up to and including pick 42, leaving us with 52,54
*pick 3 (1878) with 20% discount (1503) would chew up picks up to and including pick 41, leaving us with 42, 52 and 54.

BT would know better but I don't think we have the spots to use 4 draft picks, so I reckon we expect the bid to be either pick one or 2?

The biding system doesn't quite work like that - you don't lose the excess points.

So if the bid came at pick 1, our final pick used for points is 54 (worth 220 points). 220 - 131 (the total needed to arrive at 2400) = 89 points = pick 66. So pick 54 becomes pick 66. Obviously that pick will move with all the previous NGA & F/S bidding.

We need to add a minimum of 2 and a maximum of 4 primary list players.

[bulldogtragic]

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The afel changed the rules for us at the last second. This year only, we can have as many picks as we like without having to open the spots. I love the afel and they change things at the last second.

I expect we will be pretty busy in pick trading. An extra 170 points while holding a top 30 pick is very nice.