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Re: Jamarra and the Points System Strategy
I know in a lot of ways it is a huge marketable tool if the Crows score an own goal by picking JUH at #1, but I think we should take the time to acknowledge what a shit thing to do it is.
No other NGA/FS tipped to go in the first round has ever gone at their predicted market price (they are always left to slide). Wouldn’t it be just like the Gameplan stealing, medical report falsifying (to Get Wood suspended) Crows to try to sink the boot into us.
I’m going to enjoy their long reign as kings of the bottom rungs.Comment
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I want the Crows to nominate JUH, and us to reap the rewards of our hard work to trump them.
I want the entire competition immediately after the draft to piss and moan about it.
I want to see him develop into the player he can be with us and make the entire competition realise that the previous pissing and moaning wasn't anywhere near how hard they could piss and moan after all.
And then I want him to dominate so they can all suck our collective balls.TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.Comment
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Re: Jamarra and the Points System Strategy
Adelaide’s four prospects for No.1 pick
The 2007 draft perfectly illustrates why Adelaide should bid on Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, even though he will end up at the Western Bulldogs.
Adelaide’s list management committee will sit down on Friday to make a decision on doing themselves out of the second-greatest prize in footy — the No.1 draft pick.
The club’s assembled list management team will settle on their draft order and then solidify their intent about whether to bid on Bulldogs-linked star Jamarra Ugle-Hagan.
For those only swatting up on their draft coverage a week out, Ugle-Hagan is the generational forward who every junior talent watcher believes is the draft’s best player, but will end up at Whitten Oval when the Dogs match a bid — wherever it comes on December 9.
Many list managers believe Adelaide has talked a good game to make the Bulldogs sweat, but will eventually move on to leave North Melbourne (pick 2) or Sydney (pick 3) to do the dirty work.
But while so many clubs would be desperate to recruit a player as the No.1 selection as a marketing exercise, the fishbowl that is Adelaide means the opposite applies.
As the Herald Sun first reported in September, Adelaide under recruiter Hamish Ogilvie and list manager Justin Reid have always held firm to their draft order, even if it means bidding on rival players in the top 10.
It means if they believe Ugle-Hagan is the best kid, they bid on him.
They did it on Tarryn Thomas at pick 8 in 2018, they did it with GWS-linked players Harry Himmelberg and Harry Perryman in 2015 and 2016.
So the Crows would actually be departing from their principles by ignoring 195cm left-footed forward Ugle-Hagan with the No.1 overall pick.
But Adelaide is also very aware of the climate it will bring players into and the years of development they are likely to need.
Whoever they take won’t be Matt Rowell, a man-child ready to rock and roll from Round 1.
For many players becoming the No.1 selection is a poisoned chalice that adds pressure, with Brendon Goddard revealing that insults hurled his way by Brad Green about him being the worst No.1 pick of all time in the Herald Sun this week.
When Adelaide selected Patrick Dangerfield at pick 10 over Brad Ebert in 2007, the nephew of SA footy legend Russell, the headline in the Adelaide Advertiser was that Dangerfield had better be good.
The first line of that story reads: “The pressure is already on Crows recruit Patrick Dangerfield”, with the warning that “Dangerfield, 17, is already in the firing line” given Adelaide’s recent draft crimes.
Adelaide is a two-town fishbowl where the No.1 pick has a outlandish set of expectations placed upon him.
The Crows are well aware that bringing 200cm ruck-forward Riley Thilthorpe or 196cm athletic forward Logan McDonald as the No.2 pick is an important difference to lauding him in the same manner as No.1 overall pick Jack Watts.
Just as relevant is the fact that for all their junior heroics, McDonald and Thilthorpe might take 3-5 years to flourish and don’t need the badge as the No.1 pick hanging over their heads.
For every Aaron Naughton or Ben King there are dozens more talls taken in the top 10 who have taken years to fulfil their potential.
The final reason Adelaide should bid for Ugle-Hagan is because it’s the right thing to do for the competition’s integrity.
Too often clubs are allowed to wait until late in the top 10 to select father-son and NGA prospects because of side deals or the reluctance of clubs to call out a rival player until it is patently obvious they have drifted too far down the order.
Some clubs are traditional bidders, like Adelaide and Richmond.
In the ultimate sliding doors moment, Richmond bid on Matt Kennedy (GWS), then Eric Hipwood (Brisbane), before eventually getting Daniel Rioli at pick 15 in the 2015 national draft.
Rioli won three flags and Kennedy has just been delisted, to be rookie-listed next week.
Adelaide bid on Himmelberg with the next pick — GWS matched it — then secured future Crows captain Tom Doedee with the No.17 selection.
Five years on bidding on Ugle-Hagan would be a similar win-win that eases pressure on their new key tall and maintains the integrity of the draft system.
CROWS DROP BIG HINT ON NO.1 PICK
Adelaide’s list for who it will select with the No.1 draft pick is down to four, as senior coach Matthew Nicks says the Western Bulldogs’ access to Jamarra Ugle-Hagan won’t deter the Crows from bidding on the highly-rated prospect.
The Crows hold the No.1 pick for the first time in their history, but won’t be able to end up with the player widely considered to be the best in the draft pool with Ugle-Hagan tied to the Bulldogs through their Next Generation Academy.
Who the Crows take with the coveted pick, which could end up being the second pick of the draft if they bid on Ugle-Hagan and the Bulldogs match as expected, looks to be down to either one of the highly rated talls Riley Thilthorpe from West Adelaide or Logan McDonald from West Perth.
Adelaide’s national recruiting manager Hamish Ogilvie told the Crows website there were four names the club had identified a week out from the draft.
“We haven’t made a decision yet as we’re still waiting on some medical information,” he said.
“We’re down to four and we won’t make a decision until we’ve got all the information in case there’s something in there, but it’s pretty routine information required.
“It’s just a bit later than normal because of the constraints that everyone’s had this year with medical testing, combine testing, location, travel, doctors not having access to put their hands on the players, so that just made it more difficult and took more time.”
Along with McDonald and Thilthorpe boyhood Crows fan Elijah Hollands is also considered to be in the mix to be selected by the Crows with the first pick.
But he is recovering from a torn ACL and could not be back to full fitness until June.
Ugle-Hagan is part of that quartet even though the Bulldogs can match a bid for him.
Nicks said that wouldn’t matter.
“We’ll pick the best player we believe that’s in the draft,” Nicks said on SEN.
“If that’s Ugle-Hagan – because he is a super-talented footballer – then that’s where I guess a bid will come on him because we believe he should be No.1 in the draft.
“We’re not going to go out of our way to pick a young kid who’s not that and risk not getting the best player in the draft.”
The Bulldogs further bolstered their hand to match any bid for Ugle-Hagan on Tuesday, trading their pick 26 to GWS for selections 29 and 52 - increasing their draft value by 170 points.
Nicks said he was confident in the Crows recruiters ahead of one of the biggest decisions for the club.
“It’s not just the last 12 months, they have been watching these players for years leading in,” he said.
“They will bring that information through and I will watch as much as I can... but you have to be a bit mindful as a coach that you don’t dominate the conversation.”Comment
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There would be someone in our marketing department hoping JUH gets bid on with pick 1Western Bulldogs: 2016 PremiersComment
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I'm not sure it will make all that much difference if he goes 1, 2 or 3. He has already had more press pre-draft than just about any previous draftee I can recall. The Melbourne media won't care too much who Adelaide pick at 1 if they don't nominate JUH. I think we are in a win-win situation.Comment
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I'm throwing this open to our WOOF members but what bid do you think we will have to match to secure Ugle-Hagan?
I'm tipping pick 3 because the Swans have already flagged their intent and I think it's somewhat of a wasted ploy for Adelaide and North Melbourne to do it earlierWestern Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"Comment
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35% chance of a pick 1 bidOur 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.Comment
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Re: Jamarra and the Points System Strategy
If Adelaide use pick 1 on him they are only hurting themselves. Not only do they miss out on the publicity and hype they also tell the player that they end up choosing that he wasn't their first selection. It's not a good start to the clubComment
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From what Nicks was saying I expect a bid to come at 1. Our movement on the trade with GWS for more points maybe alludes to this too.BT COME BACK!
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Re: Jamarra and the Points System Strategy
I am expecting pick 1.
While Adelaide are touted as missing on marketing, it probably doesn't matter for them in their market.
I t does perhaps reduce the pressure a little on their eventual selection, which might be really helpful in the Adelaide fishbowl.Life is to be Enjoyed not EnduredComment
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