Jamarra and the Points System Strategy

[Grantysghost]

Re: Jamarra and the Points System Strategy

This what infuriates me about the free agent issue.

Our draft pick loses value if the crows, or in theory, any team(S) ahead of us in the draft loses a valuable free agent player.

St. Kilda get the player they want. Adelaide get the compensation they want. And WE pay for it.

All of a sudden we have to come up with more draft points and ALL our picks are now worth less.

There needs to be a better system.

So true. There should be no compensation, just remove it and force the clubs to trade if it's a RFA scenario.
Full free agents you get nothing.

[Bornadog]

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So true. There should be no compensation, just remove it and force the clubs to trade if it's a RFA scenario.
Full free agents you get nothing.

Compensation should be paid by club receiving the player. eg. So Geelong should lose their first round pick or whatever Cameron is worth. If a club doesn't have enough picks or points they have to find it.

Why should other clubs be pushed down the draft order

[Dancin' Douggy]

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EEEEEXactly. Let the move happen, but but don't punish the clubs that have no input, or benefit from the deal.

They should at least lose draft points. You can't win a flag, then get Tom Lynch, then go into the draft with an uncompromised hand while all the other clubs underneath you are punished in the draft for your 'luck' that Tom Lynch just happened to pick your club.

Compensation should be paid by club receiving the player. eg. So Geelong should lost first round pick or whatever Cameron is worth. If a club doesn't have enough picks or points they have to find it.

Why should other clubs be pushed down the draft order

[jeemak]

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Does anyone really think that this has nothing to do with the most likely clubs being those in non-traditional football states losing players, and powerful clubs most likely gaining them?

[The Adelaide Connection]

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Does anyone really think that this has nothing to do with the most likely clubs being those in non-traditional football states losing players, and powerful clubs most likely gaining them?

I think that when this system exists, at a time when clubs have a monopoly on "Blockbusters" (like Anzac Day, the Season opener, Queens birthday, etc.) then clubs like ours should find a way to start a class action suit.

[jeemak]

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I think that when this system exists, at a time when clubs have a monopoly on "Blockbusters" (like Anzac Day, the Season opener, Queens birthday, etc.) then clubs like ours should find a way to start a class action suit.

I'm pretty sure the "it's great for the game to have the big teams playing in the big games" defence would be rock solid and we wouldn't stand a chance, you know because it's for the common good and everything.

[GVGjr]

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Perhaps a few deals to consider

We offer pick 12 to Adelaide in exchange for 2 draft picks in the 2nd round picks 20 and 29 (1565 points) and their word that they won't select Ugle-Hagan at pick 1. Assuming he then gets selected at pick 2 by North then the following applies

Pick 1 = 3,000 points less the 20% NGA discount = 2,400
Pick 2 = 2,517 points less the 20% NGA discount = 2,014
Pick 3 = 2,234 points less the 20% NGA discount = 1,787

Picks 20+ 29 = 1,565 points and our pick 36 = 502 points for a total of 2,067 points which covers the points required.

Basically we get Ugle-Hagan for pick 12 and 36 which is a good deal

Now, if we were to incentivize North to not to pick him as well ie trade Lachlan Young to North for pick 65 (steak knives) or Schache (he would get some game time with them) for their pick 25 and perhaps a steak knives added incentive for them or whatever they get for Higgins or any of the other players they trade then we would only need to acquire 1,787 points and it would open up all sorts of options for us.

Just throwing some options for review

[FrediKanoute]

Re: Jamarra and the Points System Strategy

Perhaps a few deals to consider

We offer pick 12 to Adelaide in exchange for 2 draft picks in the 2nd round picks 20 and 29 (1565 points) and their word that they won't select Ugle-Hagan at pick 1. Assuming he then gets selected at pick 2 by North then the following applies

Pick 1 = 3,000 points less the 20% NGA discount = 2,400
Pick 2 = 2,517 points less the 20% NGA discount = 2,014
Pick 3 = 2,234 points less the 20% NGA discount = 1,787

Picks 20+ 29 = 1,565 points and our pick 36 = 502 points for a total of 2,067 points which covers the points required.

Basically we get Ugle-Hagan for pick 12 and 36 which is a good deal

Now, if we were to incentivize North to not to pick him as well ie trade Lachlan Young to North for pick 65 (steak knives) or Schache (he would get some game time with them) for their pick 25 and perhaps a steak knives added incentive for them or whatever they get for Higgins or any of the other players they trade then we would only need to acquire 1,787 points and it would open up all sorts of options for us.

Just throwing some options for review

The only problem is the "draft tampering element". No way would Adelaide and North give an undertaking not to select. The AFL would throw their toys out.

[jeemak]

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I reckon it's a good idea, and getting Adelaide to select a home town lad with the first pick is the most likely way to be able to sell it with a straight face.

[GVGjr]

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The only problem is the "draft tampering element". No way would Adelaide and North give an undertaking not to select. The AFL would throw their toys out.

I think things like this happen more than we know it, it's actually not draft tampering

[Bornadog]

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I think things like this happen more than we know it, it's actually not draft tampering

I think no matter what we need to be prepared to have the points ready if Adelaide decide to use pick one.

[GVGjr]

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I think no matter what we need to be prepared to have the points ready if Adelaide decide to use pick one.

I don't think there is any doubt that. We would possible need 4 scenarios to cover

[azabob]

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Cal Twoomey on trade radio yesterday said he wouldn't be surprised if the Hawks were the club to bid on Jamarra Ugle Haggan with their pick four.

That would be huge.

[Happy Days]

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I’ve never believed that a bid was coming at pick 1, but 4 would be awesome. Would we even have to do anything?

[GVGjr]

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I’ve never believed that a bid was coming at pick 1, but 4 would be awesome. Would we even have to do anything?

Yes, we would still need to try and trade our pick for more points in the 2nd round

Pick 4 is valued at 2,034 points - the NGA discount results in us looking for 1,627 points
Pick 14 is valued at 1,164 points so we are still looking at finding another 500 points

In basic terms, we need to turn our first round pick into about 1,400 points and then use our 3rd round pick to meet the value
There are other variations and options though