Jamarra and the Points System Strategy

[jeemak]

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You are spot on - I've mixed up my As and Zs!!

They're close together if you consider the alphabet to be a loop!

[Axe Man]

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'We believe he should be No.1': Crows won't play games with top pick

Adelaide coach Matthew Nicks says his side will pick the most talented player in the draft with their No.1 pick

JAMARRA Ugle-Hagan is set to be the No.1 pick in next week's NAB AFL Draft after Adelaide coach Matthew Nicks all but confirmed the Crows will bid on the Western Bulldogs' Next Generation Academy prospect.

The exciting key forward is certain to land at Whitten Oval, with the Dogs able to match any bids from rival clubs.

It only remains to be seen how many points they will need to match a bid and secure Ugle-Hagan – an Indigenous talent who has been likened to Sydney superstar Lance Franklin.

Adelaide holds the coveted first draft pick after finishing bottom of the ladder in 2020.

"We'll pick the best player we believe that's in the draft," Nicks told SEN on Wednesday.

"If that's Ugle-Hagan – because he is a super-talented footballer – then that's where I guess a bid will come on him because we believe he should be No.1 in the draft.

"We're not going to go out of our way to pick a young kid who's not that and risk not getting the best player in the draft."

Pressed further on the prospect of an Adelaide bid for Ugle-Hagan, Nicks said: "I don't want to give too much away, but he's extremely good."

The Bulldogs on Tuesday executed a trade of draft picks with Greater Western Sydney, sending pick 26 to the Giants in exchange for picks 29 and 52.

It gave them more points with which to match an Adelaide bid at pick one.

The Crows' top selection will slide to No.2 overall if, or when, the Bulldogs match their Ugle-Hagan bid.

Adelaide could then opt for athletic South Australian ruck-forward Riley Thilthorpe if they choose to draft locally.

Vic Country midfielder Elijah Hollands and West Australian tall forward Logan McDonald are also considered likely top-five picks.

[Axe Man]

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From Cal Twommey's Phantom Form Guide:

1. Jamarra Ugle-Hagan

195cm/90kg
4/4/02
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
Key forward

Ugle-Hagan's deeds as a 17-year-old last season see him retain his place at the top of the Phantom Form Guide throughout 2020. The key forward kicked 24 goals from nine games for the Oakleigh Chargers last year and dominated inside 50. He's quick (he ran 2.90 seconds in the 20-metre sprint at the Combine), strong on the lead and has a long left foot. The Western Bulldogs' Next Generation Academy prospect isn't shy of confidence either, at one stage texting Bulldogs star Aaron Naughton some forward craft advice this season ahead of a game. They will be a forward pair to fear for some time.

Where does he go? He's off to the Dogs, it's just a matter of when the bid comes. Adelaide is considering calling his name at No.1 but if not, one of North Melbourne (at No.2) or Sydney (No.3) will do the honours.

[Happy Days]

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Well damn. At least that trade with the Giants suggests the Crows gave us something of a heads up.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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Well damn. At least that trade with the Giants suggests the Crows gave us something of a heads up.

We'll need to do a bit more pick swapping if we have any intention of getting back into the draft, post JUH pick. If Adelaide bid at 1, then our next pick will be very late, beyond 4th round

[Happy Days]

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We'll need to do a bit more pick swapping if we have any intention of getting back into the draft, post JUH pick. If Adelaide bid at 1, then our next pick will be very late, beyond 4th round

Maybe we don't though? TBH I don't hate missing this draft as opposed to taking a deficit over or giving up assets in the next one where we can actually look at most of the players, plus it may shape up we can get McPherson or Raak for that late pick.

[comrade]

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If there is no bid on Raak, we can take him as a cat B and still have spots on the main/cat A rookie list.

[Axe Man]

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We'll need to do a bit more pick swapping if we have any intention of getting back into the draft, post JUH pick. If Adelaide bid at 1, then our next pick will be very late, beyond 4th round

Didn't like my post yesterday after all? A bid by the crows would put our next pick at 66 (fourth round). That will likely move up with all the NGA/ & F/S bid matching to a late third round pick. This is assuming no further pick swaps.

[soupman]

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I think it's an okay alternative.
You still need the picks to either match the bid or move up.. You can't just slingshot in there just because you were tied to a player who was picked early and whom you passed on. You would need to have picks to be able to match a bid.
All this is doing is making sure the club placing the initial bid on a player tied to another club is genuinely rating that kid at that pick, and not just placing a bid because they know the club that has a claim on the player will match it.

Well firstly to my knowledge there have been maybe 4 bids ever that weren't matched and three of them were mid to late (Macreadie, Williams and Mosquito) and the other was Dunkley who was rumoured to have an agreement with Sydney to let him come to Victoria. Also bids are almost never earlier than expected and almost always later, Tom Green was meant to be a top three pick last year and was like pick 8 as an example. So it is setting out to fix a problem that 100% does not exist (and in fact the problem is clubs dont bid early enough usually).

Secondly this is a bit like the free agency compo thing, it benefits one club at the expense of the others. If we assist the development of JUH to be a pick 1 worthy player then our reward for that is being able to pick him up at a discount. If ee don't rate him enough to match that bid, we should not get rewarded with a pick at the front of the draft pushing every other club back.

We either rate him enough to match the bid or we pass and keep our picks wherever they are, we shouldn't be compensated with an amazing draft pick at the expense of everyone else because someone liked our player more than us.

[hujsh]

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'We believe he should be No.1': Crows won't play games with top pick

Adelaide coach Matthew Nicks says his side will pick the most talented player in the draft with their No.1 pick

JAMARRA Ugle-Hagan is set to be the No.1 pick in next week's NAB AFL Draft after Adelaide coach Matthew Nicks all but confirmed the Crows will bid on the Western Bulldogs' Next Generation Academy prospect.

The exciting key forward is certain to land at Whitten Oval, with the Dogs able to match any bids from rival clubs.

It only remains to be seen how many points they will need to match a bid and secure Ugle-Hagan – an Indigenous talent who has been likened to Sydney superstar Lance Franklin.

Adelaide holds the coveted first draft pick after finishing bottom of the ladder in 2020.

"We'll pick the best player we believe that's in the draft," Nicks told SEN on Wednesday.

"If that's Ugle-Hagan – because he is a super-talented footballer – then that's where I guess a bid will come on him because we believe he should be No.1 in the draft.

"We're not going to go out of our way to pick a young kid who's not that and risk not getting the best player in the draft."

Pressed further on the prospect of an Adelaide bid for Ugle-Hagan, Nicks said: "I don't want to give too much away, but he's extremely good."

The Bulldogs on Tuesday executed a trade of draft picks with Greater Western Sydney, sending pick 26 to the Giants in exchange for picks 29 and 52.

It gave them more points with which to match an Adelaide bid at pick one.

The Crows' top selection will slide to No.2 overall if, or when, the Bulldogs match their Ugle-Hagan bid.

Adelaide could then opt for athletic South Australian ruck-forward Riley Thilthorpe if they choose to draft locally.

Vic Country midfielder Elijah Hollands and West Australian tall forward Logan McDonald are also considered likely top-five picks.

Any chance this is messaging so that when they don't bid on JUH they can say "we said we'd pick the best player and we believe ______ is it"?

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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Well firstly to my knowledge there have been maybe 3 bids ever that weren't matched and three of them were mid to late (Macreadie, Williams and Mosquito) and the other was Dunkley who was rumoured to have an agreement with Sydney to let him come to Victoria. Also bids are almost never earlier than expected and almost always later, Tom Green was meant to be a top three pick last year and was like pick 8 as an example. So it is setting out to fix a problem that 100% does not exist (and in fact the problem is clubs dont bid early enough usually).

Secondly this is a bit like the free agency compo thing, it benefits one club at the expense of the others. If we assist the development of JUH to be a pick 1 worthy player then our reward for that is being able to pick him up at a discount. If ee don't rate him enough to match that bid, we should not get rewarded with a pick at the front of the draft pushing every other club back.

We either rate him enough to match the bid or we pass and keep our picks wherever they are, we shouldn't be compensated with an amazing draft pick at the expense of everyone else because someone liked our player more than us.

Yep that's a fair argument.

[Bornadog]

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If JUH goes at one, then I can't see us nabbing McPherson, I think he will go earlier - maybe late round 2 or 3.

We may end up re drafting Hayes or Cavarra for the senior list, if there aren't too many choices left.

[Axe Man]

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If JUH goes at one, then I can't see us nabbing McPherson, I think he will go earlier - maybe late round 2 or 3.

We may end up re drafting Hayes or Cavarra for the senior list, if there aren't too many choices left.

I haven't seen his name pop up in any phantom drafts, I would be very surprised if he was bid on in the second round. As I mentioned we will likely have a late third round pick even if the Crows bid on JUH. I think he will go close to not attracting a bid at all.

[KT31]

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JUH contract will increase by $30K extra by going number one, what is exactly in it for the Crows or any other club if they bid on him knowing we definitely will take him ?
Are they compensated with extra points, dollars etc ?

[Axe Man]

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JUH contract will increase by $30K extra by going number one, what is exactly in it for the Crows or any other club if they bid on him knowing we definitely will take him ?
Are they compensated with extra points, dollars etc ?

The only things in it for the Cows is making us pay full whack and potentially shielding whichever kid they take from the extra pressure of being the number 1 pick. That of course will cost them the good publicity of drafting the number 1 pick and will cost that kid $$$.