2021 Rolling List Management Discussion

[DOG GOD]

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Good post once again BT.

Regarding what we need more in either a KPD or a small fwd, I think it depends on what we might lose, and what is available.
If say, Lew Young wanted out, then we need another KPD desperately, as I just don’t rate Gardner or Cordy long term.

I cringe every time I see Kosi Pickett play, knowing we have Weightman instead who is not even close to what Kosi offers Melbourne.

Tbh, our team is dying for a KPD that can play on the Dixon’s, Hawkin’s and King’s of the AFL, allowing Keath to be that interceptor he was recruited for.

We also need a small fwd in the Kosi/Tippa mould that is just electrifying with their pace and goal sense. Imagine one of them under the feet of Bruce and Naughton.

[comrade]

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Ben McKay hasn't re-signed at North yet. He's 200cm plus and more than capable to manning the big boys. I hope we're into him big time.

[Bornadog]

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Ben McKay hasn't re-signed at North yet. He's 200cm plus and more than capable to manning the big boys. I hope we're into him big time.

Saw someone else on twitter, suggest he will be at the Dogs next year

[Scraggers]

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because we only have 42 spots on the list and have to think about both now and the future, there is very little room for sentiment.

Whilst I agree with you somewhat, he was still our leading goal kicker last year. He was still in the running for AA. Two average games and he’s thrown to the woodpile. I just don’t get it.

[FrediKanoute]

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My take:

Wallis - would be well within his rights to look elsewhere if he can't crack a game at the dogs. Don't want him to go, but would expect him as a professional footballer to look for a club that will play him;

JJ - hard call, but if we got a half decent offer I would take it. If he left for more dosh elsewhere I would let the trade happen to open up a spot - Williams/Dale/Richards/Butler all have his HB spot covered;

R Smith - time to make the call that should have been made at the end of 2020;

Hayes - as for R Smith;

Richards - want to keep him, but if the numbers are right I would trade. Something in the 20's would do it, maybe with a future pick as well;

Lippa - a little like Richards, want to keep him, but if the numbers were right then do the trade. Again I'd look for a 20's pick plus a future pick;

Lewy Young - dont want trade him as he has so much upside, but if we are not going to play him then we need to make a call and trade him. The problem is we will be giving him away for peanuts;

Wood - on current form deserves another year (which I believe he has), but after 2022 you would begin to question;

West - I expect that he will stay, but again if he is not getting the game time he may field offers from other clubs.

Cordy - I rate him. Awkward though he is I believe he has something to offer, though whether he is good enough to hold down a backline spot is debateable. Not tall enough to be a pure KPD, is he the Wood replacement?

Jong - I actually wonder whether we will give him another 12 months. Appreciate it may be a waste of a list spot, but he is a popular team member and moralewise it could be the right call

[bulldogtragic]

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I like the assertiveness Fredi. This period will be really interesting about the next 5 years. If we can save some salary (Wallis & JJ the largest) then we sign everyone we want up whilst still being in the market for a good trade or two for needs. Our Father/Sons & NGA are going to keep ensuring us talent beyond our natural selections. Assuming we are using our firsts, we’ve picked up good players from 18-30 such as Dunkley, English, Lipinski etc. I’m pretty happy looking medium term the age profile is right, the talent depth is sublime and the drafts will be good to us too from our ability to pick good ones early and priority access.

So I think being too meek or too aggressive is not a real choice. 5 list spots, salary cap savings, trading back into the draft, grab priority access players, grab a KPD in the trade period and sign all the must signs up this year and next is the platform to have the list contend for another 4 years or so. It isn’t romantic, but if it’s handled well by allowing players to decide to look elsewhere then it’s win/win. The more I think about it with detail, this list management period might be assessed by the quantity and quality players that leave us (rather than who comes in) and how it’s handled internally & in PR.

On Jong, if his body could still cope with VFL I’d offer him the captaincy if he couldn’t find another club. Pearce & Prudden were a couple of guys whose bodies weren’t durable at AFL but gave some good years at Footscray.

[jeemak]

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We should be doing everything we possibly can to be keeping the likes of Lipinski and Richards, if we want to even think about having a sustained run at success subsequent to this year should success actually come.

Our depth is already being tested, it's likely to be tested more as the season rolls on. The likelihood is each of these guys will play senior footy at different times throughout the/ in the second half of the year. It's OK to say that we have the likes of Garcia or West coming through, but they haven't played much football whereas the other guys have. Lipinski and Richards are exactly the type of players we should be prioritising.

[bulldogtragic]

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We should be doing everything we possibly can to be keeping the likes of Lipinski and Richards, if we want to even think about having a sustained run at success subsequent to this year should success actually come.

Our depth is already being tested, it's likely to be tested more as the season rolls on. The likelihood is each of these guys will play senior footy at different times throughout the/ in the second half of the year. It's OK to say that we have the likes of Garcia or West coming through, but they haven't played much football whereas the other guys have. Lipinski and Richards are exactly the type of players we should be prioritising.

The summary of how to best look after the list while getting back into the draft thus far seems to be:

A) Wallis & JJ

Or

B) Lippa & Richards


I’m all about Plan B. I wonder if this is harder in the immediate term as Richards won’t play for at least the first half of year and Lippa might hold off to see if he’s apart of the master plan. I’m sure their managers have received interest from other clubs. It’s debatable which pair offers more this year, but going ahead I think it’s a no brainer for us. And anyone game enough to slam Bevo into the ground at training must feel pretty secure about things.

[Mofra]

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Ben McKay hasn't re-signed at North yet. He's 200cm plus and more than capable to manning the big boys. I hope we're into him big time.

We went hard at him last time, prior to signing a 2 year deal to stay at North.

I'd put pick 18(!) on the table and ask for change back. Now is the time to strike and getting a genuine AFL quality KPD has to be a priority.

Schache and Richards moving on might be best for all concerned, if we can get points to match bids for our FS/NFA kids we've solved a hole in our list with McKay and still replenished with young talent. I'd call that a very successful off season. Lewie Young would net us SFA but may consider a move too.

[Topdog]

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Whilst I agree with you somewhat, he was still our leading goal kicker last year. He was still in the running for AA. Two average games and he’s thrown to the woodpile. I just don’t get it.

But he isn't being thrown into the woodpile. I want him to make it back in, I absolutely love the sentiment.

But I dont see it happening due to changes in gamestyle, changes to rules and Bruce and Naughton playing consistently and taking marks.

As such I'm happy for him to explore his options. If he chooses to stay and fight I will be very happy and having the VC playing for our VFL side is great for our young players.

[Happy Days]

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There’s more than enough excess to trim before we have to start getting strategic about guys who can actually play.

I’m asking the question of Weightman if he doesn’t show sustained improvement in the next 6-8 weeks.

[jeemak]

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There’s more than enough excess to trim before we have to start getting strategic about guys who can actually play.

I’m asking the question of Weightman if he doesn’t show sustained improvement in the next 6-8 weeks.

This doesn't make much sense to me. I get we didn't land Pickett and all, but only giving someone of his age less than half a VFL season to prove he's going to be an AFL player in his first year of VFL competition is pretty harsh. Players mature at different levels/ rates, I think we need to take a bit of a breath with Weightman.

[Mofra]

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This doesn't make much sense to me. I get we didn't land Pickett and all, but only giving someone of his age less than half a VFL season to prove he's going to be an AFL player in his first year of VFL competition is pretty harsh. Players mature at different levels/ rates, I think we need to take a bit of a breath with Weightman.

I'd play him this week.
We looked flat last week and he looks like our most 'energetic' player. Some of his efforts reminded me of an early Dahlhaus, just getting the ball moving from a forward scrimmage.

[Mantis]

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I’m asking the question of Weightman if he doesn’t show sustained improvement in the next 6-8 weeks.

Given the shit show that was 2020 I think we can allow a little more time to the players in their 2nd year, but I get the sentiment.

Thought there was some positive signs with Cody in last weeks VFL game so hopefully he continues to develop through the year.

[comrade]

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Given the shit show that was 2020 I think we can allow a little more time to the players in their 2nd year, but I get the sentiment.

Thought there was some positive signs with Cody in last weeks VFL game so hopefully he continues to develop through the year.

Yeah, I actually thought Weightman was pretty good against GWS and his goal was exactly what you want from a small forward. Even that tap on to Marra was instinctual and clever.

It's clear he's getting fitter and is capable of moving up the ground so he has a few tools. Not giving up on him.