2021 Rolling List Management Discussion

[Mofra]

Re: 2021 Rolling List Management Discussion

Yeah, but my question was..is B.McKay any good?

He's "promising" but we were into him in his draft year and wanted him before his last contract signing.
Based on trend our list management team still rate him. He's still learning and he's playing the most difficult position in the AFL - defence for North Melbourne

[comrade]

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He's "promising" but we were into him in his draft year and wanted him before his last contract signing.
Based on trend our list management team still rate him. He's still learning and he's playing the most difficult position in the AFL - defence for North Melbourne

And all on his own too. No Tarrant, no Corr. He would slot in perfectly to a good system.

[The Doctor]

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Ben McKay would be a perfect fit for us. He takes the big power forwards every time. He is still young with his best years in front of him. Importantly he is improving all the time. He becomes the biggest and strongest key defender on our list.

The problem is how do we get him?

North will and should throw big $$ at him as he is the cornerstone of their defence for the next 8-10 years. We won't overpay with the way we manage our salary cap under Sam Power. I expect any offer from us won't be in the same ballpark as North.

Then how to make the trade happen. We only have pick 18 or thereabouts at the moment as it stands. North would want at least that + probably more. We won't give up a gun for him so that leaves lower ranked or fringe players as trade options which I doubt North would find appealing. We also might need to find draft picks for Sam Darcy and other NGA & F/S players.

BT over to you mate!

[Mofra]

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Ben McKay would be a perfect fit for us. He takes the big power forwards every time. He is still young with his best years in front of him. Importantly he is improving all the time. He becomes the biggest and strongest key defender on our list.

The problem is how do we get him?

North will and should throw big $$ at him as he is the cornerstone of their defence for the next 8-10 years. We won't overpay with the way we manage our salary cap under Sam Power. I expect any offer from us won't be in the same ballpark as North.

Then how to make the trade happen. We only have pick 18 or thereabouts at the moment as it stands. North would want at least that + probably more. We won't give up a gun for him so that leaves lower ranked or fringe players as trade options which I doubt North would find appealing. We also might need to find draft picks for Sam Darcy and other NGA & F/S players.

BT over to you mate!

We have guys other teams would find appealing, it may be a case of having to wait until closer to the end of trade period before we have the assets north would find attractive. Any fringe player on our list who is of reasonable quality would want to go anywhere but North.

[bulldogtragic]

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I’m actually trying to get my head around things because of our draft hand.

So McKay scenario. They have the cash to blow us out of the water. So we are saying he wants to get to us.

Let’s say North are after Wallis. They should be and he should be their captain. If we could manipulate the FA compo like Hawthorn/Richmond on Vickery, we get say Pick 37. Assuming that happens:

McKay - Pick 18, 37, 73
(Wallis) - Pick 38, 66

Then:

Dogs: McKay, Pick 38 & 66 covers Darcy in the 20’s (Upgrade Sweet & Buku) - McKay, Darcy, Sweet & Buku
North: Wallis, Picks 1, 18, 20, 37, 66


But I don’t really see that all happening. If we want to take an established KPD into our window, we simply have to move on multiple players that have some value. If Raak sits out the MSD and gets to 20+ then we need a ton of points for him and Darcy potentially. If Pick 18 was traded, then we have 9 draft points. Jamarra cost us 2,400 points as an example.

JJ to me is the one to look at. Similar to Bruce, he has one good contract year left. Like Bruce, let JJ know if he wants certainty he should look around as we won’t be offering 3 years, or maybe even 2 and no near the money either. Now... if North offered him 3-4 years on $500,000 then we’ve got a path to McKay:

McKay, 38 & 66 (and a future 3rd)
JJ, 18 & 73

So then we’ve got McKay & Darcy in the bank plus upgrading Sweet & Buku

I’d still like another Pick. So if Wallis can get a longer better contract I would stand in his way.

The coin has two sides. Last year we blitzed it with Treloar & Hannan for future picks. Now with some success this year, if the 4th rounder has next to no points, we have to go raise serious draft capital. The only way we have to do that is Free Agent Compo (Ie Wallis) or trade as decent player (ie JJ). Darcy going top 20 means we probably want a second round or two good third rounders. If Raak is there, then the same again. MacPherson would be a big headache.

We may need to find three players to go. Perhaps Wallis, JJ & one of Richards/Lipinski/Schache. Other clubs will come knocking so we won’t be forcing all of them out.

Right now it’s hard to come up with ways specifically, but in the abstract we simply have to move on/or allow to go some good club servants and fan favourites. So that’s not pleasant to think of, the flip side is we get a ready to go KPD, Sam Darcy and maybe another Pick or two and keep Sweet & Buku by elevating them. It’s just a matter of who leaves.

[Mofra]

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Let’s say North are after Wallis. They should be and he should be their captain. If we could manipulate the FA compo like Hawthorn/Richmond on Vickery, we get say Pick 37. Assuming that happens:

McKay - Pick 18, 37, 73
(Wallis) - Pick 38, 66

Apologies, where do we get 38?

If FA is activated we get one pick for Wallis (say 37), are you presuming that 37 is part of the package to North and they give us back 38 & 66?

I'm not sure North would go for that. They have a handful of players they are desperate to sign, and McKay is one of them. They won't let him go without a real fight.

[Bornadog]

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Apologies, where do we get 38?

If FA is activated we get one pick for Wallis (say 37), are you presuming that 37 is part of the package to North and they give us back 38 & 66?

I'm not sure North would go for that. They have a handful of players they are desperate to sign, and McKay is one of them. They won't let him go without a real fight.

Especially if he fixes up Ben Brown this weekend.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: 2021 Rolling List Management Discussion

Apologies, where do we get 38?

If FA is activated we get one pick for Wallis (say 37), are you presuming that 37 is part of the package to North and they give us back 38 & 66?

I'm not sure North would go for that. They have a handful of players they are desperate to sign, and McKay is one of them. They won't let him go without a real fight.

Yep, but I don’t see it happening. Best case is they are after a player we are happy to let go among picks back and forth, to get it done. We just don’t have a strong draft hand and we need points. Players will have to go, and it might be win/win if North offer good years and good money. But I don’t see a path to trading for player when after our natural first we have 9 draft points based on right now.

[Grantysghost]

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Especially if he fixes up Ben Brown this weekend.

Brown might kick 15

[Bornadog]

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Brown might kick 15

Then we don't want him

[Mofra]

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Yep, but I don’t see it happening. Best case is they are after a player we are happy to let go among picks back and forth, to get it done. We just don’t have a strong draft hand and we need points. Players will have to go, and it might be win/win if North offer good years and good money. But I don’t see a path to trading for player when after our natural first we have 9 draft points based on right now.

Our best chance might be a 'come from the clouds' state leaguer or a cheap Gardner type player who thrives in our system, noting it Hamling a long time to establish himself with us (and realistically has played his best football at Freo).

... or a 12 month veteran retirement plan. Martin cost 4/5ths of SFA and there may be a veteran KPD who can be nursed through a season the same way.

[Axe Man]

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... or a 12 month veteran retirement plan. Martin cost 4/5ths of SFA and there may be a veteran KPD who can be nursed through a season the same way.

Robbie Tarrant if he ever returns to fitness? North would probably be less worried about losing a 32/33 year old, than a 23/24 year old McKay given how far away they are.

[Mofra]

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Robbie Tarrant if he ever returns to fitness? North would probably be less worried about losing a 32/33 year old, than a 23/24 year old McKay given how far away they are.

We did offer a 3 year deal to Harry Taylor not too long ago. Stranger things have happened.

[Axe Man]

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We did offer a 3 year deal to Harry Taylor not too long ago. Stranger things have happened.

We did? Wasn't it Tom Lonergan?

[comrade]

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Maybe instead of an existing defender we look at key forwards not getting opportunity or struggling to impact and see if they could make it as a defender.