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  • Bornadog
    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
    • Jan 2007
    • 66573

    Re: 2021 Trade Period Talk

    Originally posted by bulldogtragic
    collingwood?
    yes.................

    Western Bulldog Patrick Lipinski requests trade, set for Pies move


    Western Bulldogs midfielder Patrick Lipinski has informed the club he is seeking a trade, with the 23-year-old expected to join Collingwood in the upcoming trade period.

    The talented Lipinski officially informed the club of his decision on Monday after the Bulldogs lost the grand final to Melbourne.
    He has played 56 games in his five seasons with the club and played 12 games this season but found it impossible to cement a spot in the team’s strong midfield.

    The Bulldogs offered Lipinski a deal to stay with the club and are expected to drive a hard bargain with the Magpies despite the fact Lipinski – who was pick 28 in the 2016 national draft – will get more opportunities at Collingwood.

    Lipinski fits the Magpies’ profile of players who can play midfield/forward and is set to join the club along with Geelong’s key Nathan Kreuger. Collingwood will also need to retain points to claim Nick Daicos as the father-son prospect is likely to attract a bid within the first four selections.

    Collingwood have picks 36, 39, 41 and 45 but are confident they won’t go into deficit next season.

    Meanwhile, “pioneering” playmaker Caleb Daniel will open contract negotiations with the Bulldogs over summer, as the runners-up look to ensure their grand final nucleus remains intact.

    The Bulldogs, still coming to terms with a 74-point defeat to Melbourne on the sport’s showpiece day, have a bevy of key men off contract, this year and next.

    As the Dogs broke up in Perth on Tuesday for their off-season break, with the best-and-fairest count to be held this week, they have confirmed they will look to open negotiations with the likes of All-Australians Jack Macrae and Bailey Dale, along with Josh Dunkley, Jason Johannisen, Tim English, Bailey Smith, Toby McLean and Daniel, who are off contract next season.

    Ruckmen Lewis Young and Stefan Martin are off contract soon.

    Daniel, last year’s best-and-fairest winner, had another strong season, and was one of the Dogs’ best in the grand final, with 37 disposals.

    His manager Marty Pask said on Tuesday discussions for a new deal would begin over the off-season.

    “He’s built a really good career, All-Australian, premiership player, best and fairest winner at the club,” Pask said on Trade Radio.

    “He’s obviously a free agent, he’s done very well, and he’s a player you’re really proud of because you can only remember when he started there was a lot of knocks on where he fitted at AFL level, what he would be able to do, what position he would be able to play and whether or not there would be AFL interest.

    “He’s been a pioneer for the smaller player and people that can use it really well and make good decisions. He’s just been a huge player.

    “We’re definitely keen to chat with the Bulldogs whenever they’re happy to take a deep breath after the grand final and the trade period. I’m sure we’ll start talking in the off-season.”

    The undersized but robust Martin battled injuries and managed only nine matches but was a key figure in the Dogs’ rise this season. Industry sources say he did not activate a trigger clause this year but, despite turning 35 in November, wants to play on.

    Young, who made way for Martin after the winning semi-final over Brisbane, could attract interest from his home state of South Australia but the Dogs are keen to keep him.

    English, from South Fremantle, is keen to remain at the Whitten Oval but industry sources say that could depend on any level of interest from the West Coast Eagles and Fremantle, and whether the Dogs pursue another ruckman.

    Dunkley said this month he had yet to discuss a contract extension, a year after he unsuccessfully sought a trade to Essendon. Bombers coach Ben Rutten said on Monday his club would not pursue Dunkley “at this stage”.

    The Dogs say Dunkley has not given any indication he wants to leave, and have pointed to his strong friendship with Adam Treloar as one reason why he would see a long-term future at the club.

    Vice-captain Mitch Wallis (six senior matches this season) has been offered a contract extension but is weighing up his future.

    The Dogs are set to welcome highly-touted father-son prospect Sam Darcy in the national draft. Darcy, an athletic 205 centimetre forward-ruckman, is the son of former ruckman and current board director Luke Darcy. Last year’s No.1 pick Jamarra Ugle-Hagan managed only five senior matches in his rookie year but will be a key piece of the Dogs’ long-term forward plans.

    The Dogs are chasing an assistant coach to look after their gold-plated midfield. Steven King’s decision to join the Gold Coast Suns has prompted the Dogs to elevate Ashley Hansen into the senior assistant role under Luke Beveridge, highlighting why the former West Coast Eagle is seen as a future senior coach.
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    • jeemak
      Bulldog Legend
      • Oct 2010
      • 21803

      Re: 2021 Trade Period Talk

      Let's get ready to be gas-lit into thinking Lapinski is worth only a fourth rounder even though he's a much better player than when he started with us as a pick 28 and played 12 games in the second strongest midfield in the competition.
      TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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      • The Underdog
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Aug 2007
        • 6854

        Re: 2021 Trade Period Talk

        Originally posted by jeemak
        Let's get ready to be gas-lit into thinking Lapinski is worth only a fourth rounder even though he's a much better player than when he started with us as a pick 28 and played 12 games in the second strongest midfield in the competition.
        The fact they can walk him to the pre-season draft may mean we don’t have much leverage in this situation.
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        • Mofra
          Hall of Fame
          • Dec 2006
          • 14915

          Re: 2021 Trade Period Talk

          Originally posted by The Underdog
          The fact they can walk him to the pre-season draft may mean we don’t have much leverage in this situation.
          Sad but true.
          Future third rounder, come on down.
          Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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          • jeemak
            Bulldog Legend
            • Oct 2010
            • 21803

            Re: 2021 Trade Period Talk

            Originally posted by The Underdog
            The fact they can walk him to the pre-season draft may mean we don’t have much leverage in this situation.
            Originally posted by Mofra
            Sad but true.
            Future third rounder, come on down.
            I'd be really surprised if him walking to the preseason draft was the outcome, but maybe Collingwood are still a little sandy over the Treloar deal........
            TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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            • azabob
              Hall of Fame
              • Sep 2008
              • 15290

              Re: 2021 Trade Period Talk

              Originally posted by jeemak
              I'd be really surprised if him walking to the preseason draft was the outcome, but maybe Collingwood are still a little sandy over the Treloar deal........
              I wouldn't be. They need draft points for Dacios plus they are also trying to get Kruger from Geelong in the door.
              More of an In Bruges guy?

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              • macca
                Coaching Staff
                • Sep 2007
                • 2352

                Re: 2021 Trade Period Talk

                Originally posted by The Underdog
                The fact they can walk him to the pre-season draft may mean we don’t have much leverage in this situation.
                Collingwood pretty much have the door opened on this , expect they have 2 problems :
                1. Salary cap
                2. Limited picks as need for daicos

                Maybe a few scenarios to look at :
                1. Pies give us future 2nd rounder and we pay some salary for 2022
                2. Ask about Grundy and we pay 90% of his salary for first few years
                3. Pick swap our 3rd rounder for pies future 2nd rounder

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                • jeemak
                  Bulldog Legend
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 21803

                  Re: 2021 Trade Period Talk

                  Originally posted by macca
                  Collingwood pretty much have the door opened on this , expect they have 2 problems :
                  1. Salary cap
                  2. Limited picks as need for daicos

                  Maybe a few scenarios to look at :
                  1. Pies give us future 2nd rounder and we pay some salary for 2022
                  2. Ask about Grundy and we pay 90% of his salary for first few years
                  3. Pick swap our 3rd rounder for pies future 2nd rounder
                  What would we realistically pay to get Grundy on board that wouldn't upset the playing list? $750K to $800K leaving Collingwood with the remaining $200K to $250K. I reckon if we went any higher than that we start putting noses out of joint.

                  JJ and Lippa out takes care of that. Only a small problem of having no draft capital..........
                  TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                  • The Underdog
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 6854

                    Re: 2021 Trade Period Talk

                    Originally posted by jeemak
                    I'd be really surprised if him walking to the preseason draft was the outcome, but maybe Collingwood are still a little sandy over the Treloar deal........
                    Not saying it will be the outcome. But don’t get your hopes up that we get market rate for him. Likely a low pick and possibly next year.
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                    • chef
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 14624

                      Re: 2021 Trade Period Talk

                      Is he worth much?

                      Surely we'll just help him on his way as he's not in our plans.
                      The curse is dead.

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                      • jeemak
                        Bulldog Legend
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 21803

                        Re: 2021 Trade Period Talk

                        Originally posted by chef
                        Is he worth much?

                        Surely we'll just help him on his way as he's not in our plans.
                        We put a contract on the table for him, so he's in our plans on our terms. He did play 12 games this year.
                        TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                        • G-Mo77
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 9880

                          Re: 2021 Trade Period Talk

                          Originally posted by chef
                          Is he worth much?

                          Surely we'll just help him on his way as he's not in our plans.
                          We don't have much choice really. I reckon a 3rd rounder will get it done. We really don't have much bargaining power here.

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                          • chef
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 14624

                            Re: 2021 Trade Period Talk

                            Originally posted by jeemak
                            We put a contract on the table for him, so he's in our plans on our terms. He did play 12 games this year.
                            We are offering Wallis a contract too, makes no sense as neither players seem to be rated by Bevo.
                            The curse is dead.

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                            • jeemak
                              Bulldog Legend
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 21803

                              Re: 2021 Trade Period Talk

                              Originally posted by chef
                              We are offering Wallis a contract too, makes no sense as neither players seem to be rated by Bevo.
                              I think Bevo probably likes them, but just likes other players more.
                              TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                              • MrMahatma
                                Coaching Staff
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 3967

                                Re: 2021 Trade Period Talk

                                Originally posted by chef
                                We are offering Wallis a contract too, makes no sense as neither players seem to be rated by Bevo.
                                It’s kind of crazy we’re offering them deals. Especially Wallis. I hope for his sake he gets a gig somewhere else. A great leader and not gonna get any games with us in the future.

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