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  • Twodogs
    Moderator
    • Nov 2006
    • 27655

    Re: 2023 List Management Thread

    Originally posted by Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
    This is the kinda quality we've missed during your hiatus TD. SSEW can only do so much.
    I genuinely don't know how everyone survived without me.
    SSEW did a great job holding the fort but I couldn't let him carry on alone
    They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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    • azabob
      Hall of Fame
      • Sep 2008
      • 15321

      Re: 2023 List Management Thread

      Originally posted by Twodogs
      I genuinely don't know how everyone survived without me.
      SSEW did a great job holding the fort but I couldn't let him carry on alone
      Where you not around?
      More of an In Bruges guy?

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      • EasternWest
        Hall of Fame
        • Aug 2009
        • 10002

        Re: 2023 List Management Thread

        Originally posted by azabob
        Where you not around?
        That's cold man. Cold.
        "It's over. It's all over."

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        • Uninformed
          Draftee
          • Jan 2023
          • 826

          Re: 2023 List Management Thread

          Originally posted by Nuggety Back Pocket
          The number of delistings trends towards highlighting our lack of depth which apart from 2021, has seen us as a struggling 8th position
          team. The arrival of Harmes and Coffield will help but with an indifferent attack and apart from Liam Jones there remains the need for a second quality defender. Improvement from Macrae Bailey Smith Ugle Hagen and Lobb hold the keys to a much improved year together
          with the likes of O?Donnell, Croft and Darcy.
          Could see some improvement in Naughton too with a goal kicking coach. Think Ed can get even better too.

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          • bulldogtragic
            The List Manager
            • Jan 2007
            • 34289

            Re: 2023 List Management Thread

            So if it breaks down with Doc to the rookie list and McNeil re-rookied. This is what it looks like as the complete change to the list with a ruckman via SSP. Games played in 2023 in brackets.

            Main List:

            Duryea (15) - Pick 5
            Bruce (8) - Croft, Pick 10-15
            O'Brien (7) - Coffield (0)
            McClean (6) - Harmes (9)
            Hannan (6) - A. Scott (22), elevated
            Crozier (4) - 3rd rounder
            Sweet (0) - 3rd/4th rounder (maybe/not Lual)


            Rookie List:

            Scott (22) - Duryea (15)
            Roarke (0) - SSP Ruck
            McComb (3) - MSD Vacancy
            Raak (0) - N/A as Cat B
            (McNeil, Baker & Poulter remain, JOD as a Cat B still)


            Future 1st & 4th gone. F3 swapped into GCS F3. Outside chance to grab a F4 in live trading.
            Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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            • azabob
              Hall of Fame
              • Sep 2008
              • 15321

              Re: 2023 List Management Thread

              Originally posted by azabob
              Where you not around?
              Hopefully TD knows I’m only serious.
              More of an In Bruges guy?

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              • mjp
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Jan 2007
                • 7372

                Re: 2023 List Management Thread

                Originally posted by Twodogs
                I genuinely don't know how everyone survived without me.
                SSEW did a great job holding the fort but I couldn't let him carry on alone
                That sounds like what I say to players when I leave them out of the side..."we're not sure how we will survive without you...but we're going to try"...

                Come to think of it, it's what I'm going to be saying to my 21 year old pretty soon in relation to him continuing to live at home.
                What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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                • ledge
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 14313

                  Re: 2023 List Management Thread

                  I think our list is extremely good and this year was just a year where everything went wrong.
                  I see a huge turn around, reminds me of a couple of other coaches under the pump who went on to win a few flags the next few years.
                  They did a review, kept the coach, changed a few things around.
                  I don’t think it’s anywhere as bad as people think. No players wanted out is a sign.
                  Bring back the biff

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                  • Twodogs
                    Moderator
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 27655

                    Re: 2023 List Management Thread

                    Originally posted by azabob
                    Where you not around?
                    That burns
                    They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                    • Twodogs
                      Moderator
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 27655

                      Re: 2023 List Management Thread

                      Originally posted by azabob
                      Hopefully TD knows I’m only serious.
                      If Gary let me have access to the ban button you'd be banned by now.

                      Probably.
                      They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                      • Twodogs
                        Moderator
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 27655

                        Re: 2023 List Management Thread

                        Originally posted by mjp
                        That sounds like what I say to players when I leave them out of the side..."we're not sure how we will survive without you...but we're going to try"...

                        Come to think of it, it's what I'm going to be saying to my 21 year old pretty soon in relation to him continuing to live at home.
                        21? Far out.

                        Mine moved out to England. Well one of them did.

                        The other one only went as far as Tasmania
                        They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                        • mjp
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 7372

                          Re: 2023 List Management Thread

                          My daughter moved like 5-mins away. SHE coulda stayed...she was occasionally helpful.

                          The middle child though...oh my lord.
                          What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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                          • azabob
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 15321

                            Re: 2023 List Management Thread

                            Originally posted by Twodogs
                            If Gary let me have access to the ban button you'd be banned by now.

                            Probably.
                            If Gary let you have access to the ban button it wouldn't be long till you were the only one left!
                            More of an In Bruges guy?

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                            • bulldogtragic
                              The List Manager
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 34289

                              Re: 2023 List Management Thread

                              Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                              So if it breaks down with Doc to the rookie list and McNeil re-rookied. This is what it looks like as the complete change to the list with a ruckman via SSP. Games played in 2023 in brackets.

                              Main List:

                              Duryea (15) - Pick 5
                              Bruce (8) - Croft, Pick 10-15
                              O'Brien (7) - Coffield (0)
                              McClean (6) - Harmes (9)
                              Hannan (6) - A. Scott (22), elevated
                              Crozier (4) - 3rd rounder
                              Sweet (0) - 3rd/4th rounder (maybe/not Lual)


                              Rookie List:

                              Scott (22) - Duryea (15)
                              Roarke (0) - SSP Ruck
                              McComb (3) - MSD Vacancy
                              Raak (0) - N/A as Cat B
                              (McNeil, Baker & Poulter remain, JOD as a Cat B still)


                              Future 1st & 4th gone. F3 swapped into GCS F3. Outside chance to grab a F4 in live trading.
                              Worth noting that if it plays out like this, the two rookie draft selections we will use will be Doc & McNeil - so no kids or VFL players this year in the rookie draft. Unless we only draft three kids and re-draft say Doc at the ND. In that case then we’d have one RD pick.

                              Ideally I’d rather grab the 55th best kid at the ND rather than the 80th with our first rookie draft selection.

                              So I’d like to see our 6 rookie spots: Doc, McNeil (since the club want him), Baker, Poulter, SSP Ruck, MSD Vacancy (JOD Cat B)
                              Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                              • GVGjr
                                Moderator
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 44662

                                Re: 2023 List Management Thread

                                We are shuffling a couple of players to the rookie list and we made the hard call om Crozier and R.Smith which will open up some spots for us at the draft and to add maybe two DFA's.

                                From a list management perspective what areas do we need to focus on?
                                We know we are getting a key forward for the future with a father son pick, we suspect we are getting a small forward at pick 6 and we are hopeful we can pick up up a smaller defender who's been in our NGA program but that means we have a few more spots to fill.

                                From a DFA perspective, Sam Power has indicated that finding a ruckman is a focus and from there I'm assuming we probably need a midfielder with a bit of pace and experience so what else do we need?

                                So it could be:
                                Watson or Sanders
                                Croft
                                Lual

                                In an ideal scenario what other positions do we need to fill?
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