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  • GVGjr
    Moderator
    • Nov 2006
    • 45531

    #1411
    Re: 2023 List Management Thread

    Originally posted by Mofra
    The best player on the planet is useless if their body just won't stand up to senior AFL football.
    We do tend to underrate role players and overrate 'ceiling' types as fans.
    Would you want to rookie list or delist Bedendo?
    Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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    • mjp
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2007
      • 7474

      #1412
      Re: 2023 List Management Thread

      Originally posted by hujsh
      I'm not sold on Bedendo and think his unavailability makes him more a tanatalising 'what if' than if we'd seen more of him. A good mark but are the fundamentals there to play a meaningful role on a wing or half back? Not sure they are.
      Delist. Sign him to Footscray. Take him in the mid-season draft if he can put some games together...

      I'm out on him because he simply NEVER plays...or trains...so it isn't like he is toiling away improving as a player. He is toiling away doing injury rehab. Surely enough is enough?
      What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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      • GVGjr
        Moderator
        • Nov 2006
        • 45531

        #1413
        Re: 2023 List Management Thread

        Originally posted by mjp
        Delist. Sign him to Footscray. Take him in the mid-season draft if he can put some games together...

        I'm out on him because he simply NEVER plays...or trains...so it isn't like he is toiling away improving as a player. He is toiling away doing injury rehab. Surely enough is enough?
        This seems to be a good approach but is it reliant on keeping a spot open? I'd prefer not to do that given we are beefing up our focus on player development. If we still think there is a question mark on his fitness then we should cut our losses. Does the fact we haven't made the hard call yet indicate we are looking to move him to the rookie list?
        I doubt there are other clubs interested in him.
        Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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        • mjp
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jan 2007
          • 7474

          #1414
          Re: 2023 List Management Thread

          Originally posted by GVGjr
          This seems to be a good approach but is it reliant on keeping a spot open? I'd prefer not to do that given we are beefing up our focus on player development.
          I think we should 100% leave a spot for the MSD. You never know what position you will be in or what you might need in the middle of the year and you can get players on 6-month contracts. Best deal ever for clubs...worst deal ever for players.
          What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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          • jeemak
            Bulldog Legend
            • Oct 2010
            • 22149

            #1415
            Re: 2023 List Management Thread

            If he's shown the right attitude towards his recovery and is working his arse off, and we also think he has talent then that should be considered for retention.

            Sometimes I think we forget how speculative speculative types are at the end of the draft.
            TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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            • Happy Days
              Hall of Fame
              • May 2008
              • 10244

              #1416
              Re: 2023 List Management Thread

              He also showed something in the AFL. That’s more than you get out of 90% of guys.

              I’m down for another year.
              - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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              • EasternWest
                Hall of Fame
                • Aug 2009
                • 10119

                #1417
                Re: 2023 List Management Thread

                Originally posted by mjp
                Delist. Sign him to Footscray. Take him in the mid-season draft if he can put some games together...

                I'm out on him because he simply NEVER plays...or trains...so it isn't like he is toiling away improving as a player. He is toiling away doing injury rehab. Surely enough is enough?
                Originally posted by Happy Days
                He also showed something in the AFL. That’s more than you get out of 90% of guys.

                I’m down for another year.
                I agree with both of you so I'm going to need someone to decide for me.
                "It's over. It's all over."

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                • bulldogtragic
                  The List Manager
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 34289

                  #1418
                  Re: 2023 List Management Thread

                  Originally posted by EasternWest
                  I agree with both of you so I'm going to need someone to decide for me.
                  Fine. I say a hard dunno, maybe, maybe not.
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                  • Mofra
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 15115

                    #1419
                    Re: 2023 List Management Thread

                    Originally posted by GVGjr
                    Would you want to rookie list or delist Bedendo?
                    Delist. 'Flashes at VFL level' just isn't enough to keep on a list. Where on earth would he play at senior level?

                    We just signed three wingmen last year (Williams, Poulter and Baker) - 4 if you include Scott. We're taking Croft so there's another tallish forward/defender developing spot on the list taken. We took Coffield so intercepting defenderish role is taken, and Cleary is ahead of Bedendo there anyway.
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                    • GVGjr
                      Moderator
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 45531

                      #1420
                      Re: 2023 List Management Thread

                      Originally posted by Mofra
                      Delist. 'Flashes at VFL level' just isn't enough to keep on a list. Where on earth would he play at senior level?

                      We just signed three wingmen last year (Williams, Poulter and Baker) - 4 if you include Scott. We're taking Croft so there's another tallish forward/defender developing spot on the list taken. We took Coffield so intercepting defenderish role is taken, and Cleary is ahead of Bedendo there anyway.
                      I don't think he is a winger because he is way too reliant on his marking so to me he is more of a mid forward option like Khamis.
                      I think you've convinced me that he should be delisted.
                      Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                      • Hot_Doggies
                        Rookie List
                        • May 2009
                        • 401

                        #1421
                        Re: 2023 List Management Thread

                        I think Bedendo deserves another year. He is a nice mover and good size. Has a little bit of X factor that I think is worth the punt.

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                        • Mofra
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 15115

                          #1422
                          Re: 2023 List Management Thread

                          Originally posted by Hot_Doggies
                          I think Bedendo deserves another year. He is a nice mover and good size. Has a little bit of X factor that I think is worth the punt.
                          Where does he play at AFL level?
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                          • Hot_Doggies
                            Rookie List
                            • May 2009
                            • 401

                            #1423
                            Re: 2023 List Management Thread

                            If he can work on his endurance the perfect spot would be wing. His leap and marking skills would be handy at either end.

                            Otherwise HFF

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                            • Happy Days
                              Hall of Fame
                              • May 2008
                              • 10244

                              #1424
                              Re: 2023 List Management Thread

                              Originally posted by Mofra
                              Delist. 'Flashes at VFL level' just isn't enough to keep on a list. Where on earth would he play at senior level?

                              We just signed three wingmen last year (Williams, Poulter and Baker) - 4 if you include Scott. We're taking Croft so there's another tallish forward/defender developing spot on the list taken. We took Coffield so intercepting defenderish role is taken, and Cleary is ahead of Bedendo there anyway.
                              I think this is disingenuous. He was full good at VFL level, the “flashes” were at AFL level, and he’s not playing the same position as any of those guys.
                              - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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                              • Mofra
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Dec 2006
                                • 15115

                                #1425
                                Re: 2023 List Management Thread

                                Originally posted by Happy Days
                                I think this is disingenuous. He was full good at VFL level, the “flashes” were at AFL level, and he’s not playing the same position as any of those guys.
                                So the question remains - where doe he play?

                                Originally posted by Hot_Doggies
                                If he can work on his endurance the perfect spot would be wing. His leap and marking skills would be handy at either end.

                                Otherwise HFF
                                Wing? That's a big 'IF' - is he going to push our Poulter & Williams who seem set as our two first choice wings, with Scott and Baker on the list as well? Roarke is touch and go for a contract too and if we retain him, that's another ahead of him.

                                At either end who is he pushing out? Behind the ball, Dale is a lock, and Coffield and Cleary seem to be the mid sizers ahead of him and if we play a 3rd taller guy ahead of either of them, Buss probably comes into mind.

                                As a HFF we've been playing Baz and Macrae, hard to see him pushing either of those guys out. Naughton, Marra & Lobb are locks as the tall with Darcy developing too. We've got Weightman who is best 22 and we're searching for a small/crumbing forward so I'm not sure a tallish marking option is really high on the list of needs.

                                We just signed Buku as well so in terms of tallish depth there's another who is probably ahead of him.

                                I'm not against the kid, I just really don't see how he gets games unless we have an absolute horror run with injury and he somehow escapes all that.
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