2024 List Management Thread

[hujsh]

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I wouldn?t base anything on where you finish in a B&F .
Your salary is based on how you perform your job within the team and what you bring to a team, your market price and your upside in the future.
Naughton was 9th and Jamarra 10th.

I think the two bolded bits are contradictions. B&F is the coaches valuation of how well each player performed their role in the team is it not?

The Charles Sutton Medal is voted on by the Bulldogs' match committee, with five members awarding a score from zero to five for each player after every game.

[jeemak]

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2023 - Charles Sutton Medal Top 10

1. Marcus Bontempelli (342 votes)
2. Tom Liberatore (278)
3. Ed Richards (193)
4. Caleb Daniel (190)
5. Liam Jones (172)
6. Adam Treloar (165)
7. Tim English (160)
8. Bailey Dale (152)
9. Aaron Naughton (141)
10. Jamarra Ugle-Hagan (128)

Not much between three and eight. If this doesn't paint a bit of a picture........

[Mofra]

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So, who rucks if we do lose Tim English?

We'd have to be bold and offer overs for Ned Moyle from the Suns - and would the gap between getting Timmy to sign and nabbing Moyle in a trade (contract/picks) be that different?

[JanLorMill]

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So, who rucks if we do lose Tim English?

We'd have to be bold and offer overs for Ned Moyle from the Suns - and would the gap between getting Timmy to sign and nabbing Moyle in a trade (contract/picks) be that different?

We have 3 others on the list. Darcy, Lobb and the new guy Smith?

[GVGjr]

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So, who rucks if we do lose Tim English?

We'd have to be bold and offer overs for Ned Moyle from the Suns - and would the gap between getting Timmy to sign and nabbing Moyle in a trade (contract/picks) be that different?

I like this suggestion but doesn't it all depend on how any preliminary discussions with English and his management?
We would have had plenty of discussions with the player managers of ruckman coming out of contract just so we have a back up plan.

[hujsh]

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2023 - Charles Sutton Medal Top 10

1. Marcus Bontempelli (342 votes)
2. Tom Liberatore (278)
3. Ed Richards (193)
4. Caleb Daniel (190)
5. Liam Jones (172)
6. Adam Treloar (165)
7. Tim English (160)
8. Bailey Dale (152)
9. Aaron Naughton (141)
10. Jamarra Ugle-Hagan (128)

Not much between three and eight. If this doesn't paint a bit of a picture........

That is pretty good context actually but also highlights the huge gap between our best and the rest (though some of those rest were at least injured for chunks of the year)

[ledge]

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I think the two bolded bits are contradictions. B&F is the coaches valuation of how well each player performed their role in the team is it not?

TBH I have no idea who votes on B&F, but I still think upside comes into it when your young , English has improved over the last two years and is moving into his prime body wise as well, that will be more his argument IMO.
I don’t think B&F is that important in his next contract.
I would love to know what contract Libber is on though he must be one of the big ones but it’s never discussed in the press for some reason, he would be our second most important player behind Bont the last 10 years, even with injuries.
Anyway it will be interesting if we can keep him, hopefully he loves the club and that helps with not wanting to leave and we can get away with offering 100k less than what’s on offer,or shuffle the salary around with front or back end loaded contract to suit our cap.

[Axe Man]

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TBH I have no idea who votes on B&F, but I still think upside comes into it when your young , English has improved over the last two years and is moving into his prime body wise as well, that will be more his argument IMO.
I don?t think B&F is that important in his next contract.
I would love to know what contract Libber is on though he must be one of the big ones but it?s never discussed in the press for some reason, he would be our second most important player behind Bont the last 10 years, even with injuries.
Anyway it will be interesting if we can keep him, hopefully he loves the club and that helps with not wanting to leave and we can get away with offering 100k less than what?s on offer,or shuffle the salary around with front or back end loaded contract to suit our cap.

Libba would not be on a big contract money wise. Because of the doubts on his body he's been on a series of short term contracts and he's long been seen as a player very unlikely to leave. Best guess he is on $500-$600k. What a player is paid is far more to do with the market than how good a player they are. All of the following would be paid more than Libba:
Bont
Naughton
English
Macrae
Dale
Treloar
Daniel

With JUH soon to surpass him.

[hujsh]

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TBH I have no idea who votes on B&F, but I still think upside comes into it when your young , English has improved over the last two years and is moving into his prime body wise as well, that will be more his argument IMO.
I don’t think B&F is that important in his next contract.
I would love to know what contract Libber is on though he must be one of the big ones but it’s never discussed in the press for some reason, he would be our second most important player behind Bont the last 10 years, even with injuries.
Anyway it will be interesting if we can keep him, hopefully he loves the club and that helps with not wanting to leave and we can get away with offering 100k less than what’s on offer,or shuffle the salary around with front or back end loaded contract to suit our cap.

It's literally in the earlier quote I pulled.

The Charles Sutton Medal is voted on by the Bulldogs' match committee, with five members awarding a score from zero to five for each player after every game.

English might argue he will improve. Maybe he will. I personally think he's probably close to his peak now. What we see is what we get and for the most part he's always been good at the things he's good at and has always been bad at the things he's bad at. He's gotten a bit better at everything but his weaknesses are still his weaknesses

[Mofra]

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We have 3 others on the list. Darcy, Lobb and the new guy Smith?

Darcy hasn't gotten through a season of senior football yet and seems more forward who chops out in the ruck.
Rory turns 30 in a week and doesn't want to be a full time ruck.
Smith is a kid who has a lot of devem,opment work needed.

If English leaves at the end of the year, we simply have to find a ready to go ruck from somewhere. That cost may erode most of the savings we'd get from letting English walk.

[Bullies]

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That is pretty good context actually but also highlights the huge gap between our best and the rest (though some of those rest were at least injured for chunks of the year)

It also shows that the AA team should be picked without positions. The best 22 for the year should be picked. It showed what lack of depth there is in the rucks for English to get AA. He was good but not AA standard as shown by his finish in the B & F.

[ledge]

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It also shows that the AA team should be picked without positions. The best 22 for the year should be picked. It showed what lack of depth there is in the rucks for English to get AA. He was good but not AA standard as shown by his finish in the B & F.

Wouldn’t be an AA team then it would just be best 22 and full of all mids . Backs would have no chance.

[Axe Man]

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It also shows that the AA team should be picked without positions. The best 22 for the year should be picked. It showed what lack of depth there is in the rucks for English to get AA. He was good but not AA standard as shown by his finish in the B & F.

Can't agree with that. The Brownlow is already a midfielders award, don't want to see an All Australian team full of midfielders as well. As far as I'm aware most teams of the year/all star teams in other sports are selected with positions in mind, I don't see why AFL would be any different. It is recognition for the best players in their positions which allows all types of players the chance to be selected.

[JanLorMill]

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Darcy hasn't gotten through a season of senior football yet and seems more forward who chops out in the ruck.
Rory turns 30 in a week and doesn't want to be a full time ruck.
Smith is a kid who has a lot of devem,opment work needed.

If English leaves at the end of the year, we simply have to find a ready to go ruck from somewhere. That cost may erode most of the savings we'd get from letting English walk.

Darcy as a ruck looks as promising as English did at the same age. Luke took a while then made it and I don't see any reason he won't. We don't need more tall forwards.
Lobb should play where we need him, tail wagging the dog again. 30yo is nothing for a ruck. Again we are already top heavy in the forwards.
Smith can pinch hit for a game or 2 given he develops this year. Ned Moyle has had only 2 games btw.
No problem if we want another backup if English leaves but if English leaving it won't be the end of the world.

[MrMahatma]

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It also shows that the AA team should be picked without positions. The best 22 for the year should be picked. It showed what lack of depth there is in the rucks for English to get AA. He was good but not AA standard as shown by his finish in the B & F.

Then it's not a team, it's just 22 players. If the 22 best mids played a match against the AA team, the AA team would win by plenty.