Is it time to make a big move?

[Twodogs]

Re: Is it time to make a big move?

It wasn't long ago that everyone was desperate for Grant to come in after his pre season injury, he gets injured again (no fault of himself) in the Port game, ever since hes been the forgotten man with Redpath the next flavour of the month, did Grant play that badly not to come straight back in or did Stringer, Hunter etc go past him?

Stringer in particular I reckon. Came in the week Grant went out and he's been pretty good since.

Maybe Crameri is a bit lucky to still be in the side, if he plays another poor game Grant might get his spot.

[Greystache]

Re: Is it time to make a big move?

Gee a year is a long time in footy. This time last year the big Jarryd Grant story was whether he signed a new contract.

The hype generated off a few good games while trying to save his career was bizarre, he'd have had to win 3 Coleman medals this year to live up to it. I wanted us to take whatever we could while his currency was up.

It wasn't long ago that everyone was desperate for Grant to come in after his pre season injury, he gets injured again (no fault of himself) in the Port game, ever since hes been the forgotten man with Redpath the next flavour of the month, did Grant play that badly not to come straight back in or did Stringer, Hunter etc go past him?

Certainly not everyone. His form in the VFL was mediocre and it continued when he got called up, I didn't think he should have been promoted. Since going back to the VFL it's been even less impressive, with his work rate and intensity both very poor. The three mentioned were head and shoulders better prior to their call ups, and based on current form I don't expect we'll see Grant in the seniors again this year.

Grant seems to be one of those players that some supporters just expect to explode into a champion any day now, regardless of how little they deliver year after year. A bit like Jarrad Waite, except Waite has at least in patches been able to dominate games. I fully expected this year to be pretty much a write for Grant, given we gave him the safety of a 2 year deal.

[LostDoggy]

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Grant's a bloke that has never domintated VFL footy. He seems to really step up intensity and work rate wise once he plays AFL.

I just keep casting my mind back to late last year against the Blues, 25 touches and 4 goals 3. Yes he had Bootsma for company but he's work rate and class really was outstanding.

He could well be reproducing last years form in the AFL side currently, but unfortuantely we won't know because he rarely dominates at VFL level to command a position.

Reality is he would need to replace one of Stringer, Hunter, Hrovat, Dahl which doesn't look like happening anytime soon.

And I 100% agree with Greystache in terms of what he would be worth on the market. Steak Knives.

[LostDoggy]

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What do you see him adding to our club?

At around 200cm, he has excellent mobility and atheticism (ball off the ground etc). Has spent majority of the last two season up forward for Richmond. Would help to define the Roughead forward/back arguement, take rucking duties in the forward fifty. Has had a few injury issues but they've been mainly to do with fingers/hands, not muscle/structure related.

[GVGjr]

Re: Is it time to make a big move?

Do we make a strong play for Frawley understanding that Melbourne would be compensated by the AFL with an early pick and really all that might do is push us back by one draft position. We could get a KPP and still maintain our first round pick.

Would a 5 year deal at 700K be that sort of bold move we could make?

[chef]

Re: Is it time to make a big move?

Someone mentioned on 360 that Frawleys management is pushing for a 7 year deal

[Remi Moses]

Re: Is it time to make a big move?

We should have traded Grant when he had currency .
Fell for the career saving 5 games of a false dawn.
I only hope if they intend to keep Higgins they don't baulked at what price they think he's at.

[comrade]

Re: Is it time to make a big move?

Do we make a strong play for Frawley understanding that Melbourne would be compensated by the AFL with an early pick and really all that might do is push us back by one draft position. We could get a KPP and still maintain our first round pick.

Would a 5 year deal at 700K be that sort of bold move we could make?

Means we don't have to give up an early pick and a major piece of our defensive puzzle is solved. We can then use our first rounder on the best available talent.

Then...next year we target Patton.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Is it time to make a big move?

Means we don't have to give up an early pick and a major piece of our defensive puzzle is solved. We can then use our first rounder on the best available talent.

Then...next year we target Patton.

Agreed, I'm not adverse to chasing him at the right price, he'd be a good fit for us.

[Twodogs]

Re: Is it time to make a big move?

Do we make a strong play for Frawley understanding that Melbourne would be compensated by the AFL with an early pick and really all that might do is push us back by one draft position. We could get a KPP and still maintain our first round pick.

Would a 5 year deal at 700K be that sort of bold move we could make?

That'd be a pretty good outcome. For us anyway. I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Who else is an unrestricted free agent? Any who would be a good fit?

Someone mentioned on 360 that Frawleys management is pushing for a 7 year deal

Split the difference at 6.

[azabob]

Re: Is it time to make a big move?

Do we make a strong play for Frawley understanding that Melbourne would be compensated by the AFL with an early pick and really all that might do is push us back by one draft position. We could get a KPP and still maintain our first round pick.

Would a 5 year deal at 700K be that sort of bold move we could make?

I don't think Frawley at 700k is the right move. He isn't a match winner as a forward or as a defender. He is a solid player who is a role player at best. He isn't a number one forward or number one defender.

Signing him for five years at 700k would also severely limit our salary cap in the future. Which then puts at risk losing players such as Liberatore, Roughead & Wallis s they enter free agency and to a lesser degree Bontempelli, Stringer, MacCrea, Hrovat etc.

[FrediKanoute]

Re: Is it time to make a big move?

I am a Grant fan.

I think he has some really good attributes - pace, natural eye for goal, great football brain re positioning etc

Yes he has taken time and yes this year has been a mess with injury, but I don't doubt he would and could be a major player for us.

If his currency is low then I would definitely not be getting rid of him as he is one who would come back to bite.

[soupman]

Re: Is it time to make a big move?

I don't think Frawley at 700k is the right move. He isn't a match winner as a forward or as a defender. He is a solid player who is a role player at best. He isn't a number one forward or number one defender.

Signing him for five years at 700k would also severely limit our salary cap in the future. Which then puts at risk losing players such as Liberatore, Roughead & Wallis s they enter free agency and to a lesser degree Bontempelli, Stringer, MacCrea, Hrovat etc.

I would be hesitant for the kind of wages he is after for the above reason. The money he is apparently asking for is a ridiculous amount of money for someone who has never shown he is an elite player in any position. And while admittedly I have only seen him play very infrequently, he hasn't impressed me. His match against us was fumble and deer in the headlights city, and he was the most at fault for the goal of the century, something which doesn't look good on his cv.

[Twodogs]

Re: Is it time to make a big move?

I am a Grant fan.

I think he has some really good attributes - pace, natural eye for goal, great football brain re positioning etc

Yes he has taken time and yes this year has been a mess with injury, but I don't doubt he would and could be a major player for us.

If his currency is low then I would definitely not be getting rid of him as he is one who would come back to bite.

Yep he has an ability to kick goals that we lack. He can also sum up the best option and get te ball to a teammate in a better position than he is in pretty quickly. I think he brings some qualities to the table that we need.

[jeemak]

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It's funny, the only two players on our list to have kicked six goals in a game are the forgotten men this year due to injury.

I think it's a bit uncharitable not to allow Grant some leeway this year, perceived effort in the two's notwithstanding. As for Dickson, I'm looking forward to seeing him put a few games together at the end of this year. Our club needs selection pressure, and I think with these two having had very limited fitness and form through preparation we've been disadvantaged in that area.