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  • jeemak
    Bulldog Legend
    • Oct 2010
    • 21416

    Re: Following our exes...................

    Originally posted by GVGjr
    It sounds like that from Caleb's perspective Daniel Pratt didn't want him in the back line because of a lack of leg speed.
    Was about to say this one seems like it was more than just a Bevo decision to keep him on the outer limits of the team.
    TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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    • G-Mo77
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Apr 2007
      • 9873

      Re: Following our exes...................

      IMO leaving him out so much cost us a few games early and letting him go will cost us going forward. It's one thing to get a nice number on draft day, that number doesn't give you any heart or soul though, something we've cut deep into. I will probably get a few @s but don't care. We should have played him more and we should not have traded him.

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      • Bullies
        Senior Player
        • Sep 2014
        • 1802

        Re: Following our exes...................

        I think it was an issue down back as he stifled our run. Bevo/Pratt wanted fast movement and Daniel likes to hold the ball, run around in circles and then deliver a 15m pass sideways. It was also one of the reasons he no longer took the kick ins.

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        • jazzadogs
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Oct 2008
          • 5455

          Re: Following our exes...................

          Originally posted by G-Mo77
          IMO leaving him out so much cost us a few games early and letting him go will cost us going forward. It's one thing to get a nice number on draft day, that number doesn't give you any heart or soul though, something we've cut deep into. I will probably get a few @s but don't care. We should have played him more and we should not have traded him.
          I'm really sad to see him go, and wish we had identified earlier that he didn't have a spot at half back and spent time training him as a wing/half forward/small forward/Duryea replacement. He is too high quality to not be getting games SOMEWHERE in the field, and I've been consistent that it was a failure of coaching to not find him a spot.

          But I don't think the club got it wrong playing Bramble and Freijah ahead of him in that half back role. They both performed well, and particularly Freijah deserved and blossomed from his opportunities. Caleb only really got his chances later in the season because JJ was injured and Ed was playing midfield.

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          • comrade
            Hall of Fame
            • Jun 2008
            • 17836

            Re: Following our exes...................

            Thanks, I hate it.
            Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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            • Dogs 24/7
              Senior Player
              • Sep 2007
              • 1164

              Re: Following our exes...................

              We have a lot of trouble getting players over to the club when they are in their prime so is there a scenario now where we need to change our approach and be more open to trade players like Daniel when we can achieve a good deal?
              We might all want a our good players being one club players but the AFL is moving towards more players changing clubs so perhaps we need to accept it and start getting back decent returns on players when we no longer have a defined role for players.
              I rated Caleb highly but I think we got a good return in that trade.
              Some soccer clubs remain competitive because they will trade players when they can get good value in that trade.

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              • Go_Dogs
                Hall of Fame
                • Jan 2007
                • 10074

                Re: Following our exes...................

                Originally posted by GVGjr
                It sounds like that from Caleb's perspective Daniel Pratt didn't want him in the back line because of a lack of leg speed.
                It’s a shame it happened when it did. If we’d traded him after 2023 we’d have been able to leverage a much better return. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. He handled himself with total class in the circumstances.

                While he says his covering the ground was good over pre-season, Dale, Bramble and JJ are preferred options and 80m players whereas Daniel is a 25m player. He’s great in congestion and smart kicks, but our game style has moved past it and team defences are harder to pick holes through for him.

                Will be interesting to see how he fares at NM.
                Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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                • GVGjr
                  Moderator
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 43897

                  Re: Following our exes...................

                  Originally posted by Go_Dogs
                  It’s a shame it happened when it did. If we’d traded him after 2023 we’d have been able to leverage a much better return. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. He handled himself with total class in the circumstances.

                  While he says his covering the ground was good over pre-season, Dale, Bramble and JJ are preferred options and 80m players whereas Daniel is a 25m player. He’s great in congestion and smart kicks, but our game style has moved past it and team defences are harder to pick holes through for him.

                  Will be interesting to see how he fares at NM.
                  He should do okay at North and they really wanted him. Dale, Bramble, JJ and Freijah offered a bit more run than Dale could off half back and Duryea is a better 1 v 1 defender so I get why Pratt seems to preferred others ahead of him. He's a good spare part player with that uncanny knack of being able to navigate through congestion.
                  Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                  • Mantis
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 15199

                    Re: Following our exes...................

                    Originally posted by Go_Dogs

                    While he says his covering the ground was good over pre-season, Dale, Bramble and JJ are preferred options and 80m players whereas Daniel is a 25m player. He’s great in congestion and smart kicks, but our game style has moved past it and team defences are harder to pick holes through for him.

                    Will be interesting to see how he fares at NM.
                    I'm aligned with this.

                    Caleb's inability to play with speed has ultimately cost him a spot on our list. Whilst he is a neat kick, he got into an awful habit of taking too long to dispose of the ball and ended up kicking the ball just 40-45m to no one in particular.

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                    • Bullies
                      Senior Player
                      • Sep 2014
                      • 1802

                      Re: Following our exes...................

                      Originally posted by Mantis
                      I'm aligned with this.

                      Caleb's inability to play with speed has ultimately cost him a spot on our list. Whilst he is a neat kick, he got into an awful habit of taking too long to dispose of the ball and ended up kicking the ball just 40-45m to no one in particular.
                      I would have liked to see him as a small forward option last year. Although he lacks speed he is good with ball in hand and reads the play so well and a lot of football smarts that some of our players don't have.

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                      • bulldogtragic
                        The List Manager
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 34316

                        Re: Following our exes...................

                        Charlie Clarke to play at Port Melbourne if/when he’s not picked up by another club.
                        Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                        • Testekill
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jan 2015
                          • 2327

                          Re: Following our exes...................

                          Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                          Charlie Clarke to play at Port Melbourne if/when he’s not picked up by another club.
                          The Borough loves an ex-Bulldog.

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                          • EasternWest
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 9927

                            Re: Following our exes...................

                            Originally posted by Testekill
                            The Borough loves an ex-Bulldog.
                            Not as much as I love knowing he's an ex Bulldog
                            "It's over. It's all over."

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                            • BornInDroopSt'54
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 5080

                              Re: Following our exes...................

                              Originally posted by Bullies
                              I would have liked to see him as a small forward option last year. Although he lacks speed he is good with ball in hand and reads the play so well and a lot of football smarts that some of our players don't have.
                              Well said, yes he could've offered us that, as bevo said he's a good mark too, just has to jump, is good set shot goal kicker from 40 or less and can balance sickly for a snap.
                              Handy.
                              Footscray Football Republic.

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                              • BornInDroopSt'54
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 5080

                                Re: Following our exes...................

                                Originally posted by Bullies
                                I would have liked to see him as a small forward option last year. Although he lacks speed he is good with ball in hand and reads the play so well and a lot of football smarts that some of our players don't have.
                                Originally posted by BornInDroopSt'54
                                Well said, yes he could've offered us that, as bevo said he's a good mark too, just has to jump, is good set shot goal kicker from 40 or less and can balance sickly for a snap.
                                Handy.
                                Balance quickly I.e.
                                Footscray Football Republic.

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