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  • jeemak
    Bulldog Legend
    • Oct 2010
    • 21375

    Re: AFL targets Essendon Royalty

    Here's an article from Emma Quayle, on Dean Robinson's part in this couple with his dismissal:



    Looking through it, there's no hiding that EFC was terribly governed. Robinson's performance is devalued due to the injury count (soft tissue), though he's basically claiming he was coerced or acting under pressure.

    EFC don't seem to understand what the words corporate governance mean when applied consecutively in that order.

    Say for instance, I'm a contract manager in the transport industry and I bring on a client that has specific operational requirements to ensure they're serviced properly, where manual handling is involved.

    I devise a set of parameters that would see the client serviced well, and engage a floor supervisor or team leader to ensure these parameters are met safely and efficiently. If the floor supervisor or team leader employ practices that expose my workers to unnessecary risks whilst completing the manual handling tasks, and somebody gets injured can I walk away and claim the supervisors and team leaders held direct responsibility over the task and are therefore accountable for any of the issues that arise?

    Or, will I and the managers who are supposed to be supervising me wear a large portion of the blame?

    We all know it's the latter.

    Robinson may well have been acting out, though what EFC don't understand (nor their boofheaded supporters) is that management is completely responsible for what happens on the ground. Ignorance is never an excuse.
    TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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    • Remi Moses
      WOOF Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 14785

      Re: AFL targets Essendon Royalty

      Apparently Mark Robinson and Mick Warner are in an ongoing stoush with the chief .
      Robbo tried to end it at the Brownlow count and was flatly rejected.
      It's all looking like a few agendas at play here

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      • Remi Moses
        WOOF Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 14785

        Re: AFL targets Essendon Royalty

        Originally posted by jeemak
        Here's an article from Emma Quayle, on Dean Robinson's part in this couple with his dismissal:



        Looking through it, there's no hiding that EFC was terribly governed. Robinson's performance is devalued due to the injury count (soft tissue), though he's basically claiming he was coerced or acting under pressure.

        EFC don't seem to understand what the words corporate governance mean when applied consecutively in that order.

        Say for instance, I'm a contract manager in the transport industry and I bring on a client that has specific operational requirements to ensure they're serviced properly, where manual handling is involved.

        I devise a set of parameters that would see the client serviced well, and engage a floor supervisor or team leader to ensure these parameters are met safely and efficiently. If the floor supervisor or team leader employ practices that expose my workers to unnessecary risks whilst completing the manual handling tasks, and somebody gets injured can I walk away and claim the supervisors and team leaders held direct responsibility over the task and are therefore accountable for any of the issues that arise?

        Or, will I and the managers who are supposed to be supervising me wear a large portion of the blame?

        We all know it's the latter.

        Robinson may well have been acting out, though what EFC don't understand (nor their boofheaded supporters) is that management is completely responsible for what happens on the ground. Ignorance is never an excuse.
        He's been in denial after he said "the Buck stops with me" then worded up by "Team Hird" he ran away from responsibility .

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        • always right
          WOOF Member
          • Nov 2007
          • 4189

          Re: AFL targets Essendon Royalty

          Originally posted by Remi Moses
          Apparently Mark Robinson and Mick Warner are in an ongoing stoush with the chief .
          Robbo tried to end it at the Brownlow count and was flatly rejected.
          It's all looking like a few agendas at play here
          This may well be right although the fact Chip Le Grand and The Australian have also been working on this story suggests the issue is broader than just Robbo and Warner.
          I suspect it may have more to do with the move by the AFL into the media space with AFL Media. Essentially they are now a direct competitor of News Limited whereas before News was their media partner.

          None of this changes the fact that this is a legitimate story. Demetriou trumpeted that the AFL would come down hard on any club acting in breach of their obligations regarding drug use. By announcing the sanctions, then dogmatically maintaining that the sanctions included Hird not receiving a salary whilst under suspension, the revelations to the contrary now make him look inept at best, dishonest at worst.

          Whilst no-one is surprised that the AFL engaged in negotiations to limit the damage to the AFL brand, it now appears that Hird and Essendon were dictating what would and wouldn't be acceptable. Allowing a disgraced coach to be paid whilst being suspended from football is an absolute joke. The fact that the AFL have allowed this to occur is an indictment on them and they should be held to account.

          Forget the personalities involved and whether anyone rates Robbo or the Herald Sun's coverage of the whole sorry episode. If Caroline Wilson was driving this latest incarnation of the Essendon saga no-one would be questioning the motivation....and rightly so.
          I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.

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          • Twodogs
            Administrator
            • Nov 2006
            • 27645

            Re: AFL targets Essendon Royalty

            I didn't think of the AFL Media angle. Cheers AR.
            They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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            • Scorlibo
              Coaching Staff
              • Oct 2007
              • 3063

              Re: AFL targets Essendon Royalty

              Originally posted by always right
              None of this changes the fact that this is a legitimate story. Demetriou trumpeted that the AFL would come down hard on any club acting in breach of their obligations regarding drug use. By announcing the sanctions, then dogmatically maintaining that the sanctions included Hird not receiving a salary whilst under suspension, the revelations to the contrary now make him look inept at best, dishonest at worst.

              Whilst no-one is surprised that the AFL engaged in negotiations to limit the damage to the AFL brand, it now appears that Hird and Essendon were dictating what would and wouldn't be acceptable. Allowing a disgraced coach to be paid whilst being suspended from football is an absolute joke. The fact that the AFL have allowed this to occur is an indictment on them and they should be held to account.

              Forget the personalities involved and whether anyone rates Robbo or the Herald Sun's coverage of the whole sorry episode. If Caroline Wilson was driving this latest incarnation of the Essendon saga no-one would be questioning the motivation....and rightly so.
              If Andrew Demetriou has come out and said that they're (Essendon) not allowed to be paying Hird then why should the AFL get any of the blame? They're not condoning it. Bombers are breaking the rules again and the blame rests squarely with them.
              'And the Western suburbs erupt!'

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              • always right
                WOOF Member
                • Nov 2007
                • 4189

                Re: AFL targets Essendon Royalty

                Originally posted by Scorlibo
                If Andrew Demetriou has come out and said that they're (Essendon) not allowed to be paying Hird then why should the AFL get any of the blame? They're not condoning it. Bombers are breaking the rules again and the blame rests squarely with them.
                Perhaps including a reference to this in the sanctions might have been a good start. Amateur hour.
                I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.

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                • Remi Moses
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 14785

                  Re: AFL targets Essendon Royalty

                  Originally posted by Scorlibo
                  If Andrew Demetriou has come out and said that they're (Essendon) not allowed to be paying Hird then why should the AFL get any of the blame? They're not condoning it. Bombers are breaking the rules again and the blame rests squarely with them.
                  Exactly right. Essendon are blatantly in the wrong here.
                  Hiding players, paying Hird's salary .
                  They just blatantly lie, and do whatever it takes.
                  Blaming the weapon's the new thought process, and although they got off light it was obvious the AFL wanted this not staining their finals

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                  • FrediKanoute
                    Coaching Staff
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 3796

                    Re: AFL targets Essendon Royalty

                    I think the AFL's desire to get the matter resolved before the finals was wrong. They should have waited for ASADA's findings and dealt with it all then.

                    Blaming The Weapon entirely is crap. Where is the governance? Where are the checks and balances which every organisation should have so that things like this don't happen. Systematically pumping borderline substances into players is not a decision the Weapon could have made in islolation and if it was then there is something seriously wrong in the Essendon management hierarchy.

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                    • jeemak
                      Bulldog Legend
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 21375

                      Re: AFL targets Essendon Royalty

                      Originally posted by FrediKanoute
                      I think the AFL's desire to get the matter resolved before the finals was wrong. They should have waited for ASADA's findings and dealt with it all then.

                      Blaming The Weapon entirely is crap. Where is the governance? Where are the checks and balances which every organisation should have so that things like this don't happen. Systematically pumping borderline substances into players is not a decision the Weapon could have made in islolation and if it was then there is something seriously wrong in the Essendon management hierarchy.
                      Isn't it odd that the EFC hierarchy (many of whom are successful in the business world and worth millions of dollars) thought it suitable for a second year fitness director to employ a person known to dabble in boundary testing supplements without monitoring the process on an ongoing basis?

                      Can you imagine the lids being flipped if this happened in one of their own businesses?

                      The fact Bombres supporters can't see that they've been eff'd over is very surprising to me.
                      TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                      • LostDoggy
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 8307

                        Re: AFL targets Essendon Royalty

                        Originally posted by jeemak
                        Isn't it odd that the EFC hierarchy (many of whom are successful in the business world and worth millions of dollars) thought it suitable for a second year fitness director to employ a person known to dabble in boundary testing supplements without monitoring the process on an ongoing basis?

                        Can you imagine the lids being flipped if this happened in one of their own businesses?

                        The fact Bombres supporters can't see that they've been eff'd over is very surprising to me.
                        Exactly.

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                        • Bornadog
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                          • Jan 2007
                          • 65574

                          Re: AFL targets Essendon Royalty

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                          • Sedat
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Sep 2007
                            • 11043

                            Re: AFL targets Essendon Royalty



                            Great to see a senior AFL coach go public on the disgrace that took place at Windy Hill and not tiptoe around the issue. Muchos respect to Clarko for having the balls to do so in public. This is in direct contrast to the head of the AFL Coaches Association, Danny Frawley, who failed 17 of the 18 members he is supposed to be the voice for.
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                            • Ghost Dog
                              WOOF Member
                              • May 2010
                              • 9404

                              Re: AFL targets Essendon Royalty

                              An excellent argument: Junior footy coaches have to have accreditation and yet Hird just walked into the job. No experience. Voss backs him in.
                              You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                              • The Doctor
                                Coaching Staff
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 3701

                                Re: AFL targets Essendon Royalty

                                thought Frawley had his pants pulled down by Patrick Smith this morning. he's not the sharpest tool in the shed.
                                Listening to Brahm's 3rd Racket

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