Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[GVGjr]

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With the promise of this upcoming draft, some fringe guys really only seem to have the next couple of months to impress, or they might find themselves on the scrap heap unfortunately.
The problem seems to be, with all the promise in the wind, some guys are going to be under a lot of pressure, and some will be just plain unlucky.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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The problem is we don't have any A graders.

Our 'depth' is OK and it looks solid moving forward, but we are desperate to add some quality support for Griffen.

Hooper, Mulligan, Moles, Gilbee are gone.

Skinner, Panos if we need to cut deeper.

Maybe re-rookie Panos, who I still think has ability. I'm hoping he can have a good second half of the year, but he'll need to impress.

I think we should try to convince Hargrave to go another year.

[Hotdog60]

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The problem is we don't have any A graders.

Our 'depth' is OK and it looks solid moving forward, but we are desperate to add some quality support for Griffen.

Hooper, Mulligan, Moles, Gilbee are gone.

Skinner, Panos if we need to cut deeper.

Maybe re-rookie Panos, who I still think has ability. I'm hoping he can have a good second half of the year, but he'll need to impress.

I think we should try to convince Hargrave to go another year.

Would you be concerned that he may turn into another Johnno in that he may have more trouble than not getting on the park. Once age takes hold the decline could be quite rapid.

[LostDoggy]

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Would you be concerned that he may turn into another Johnno in that he may have more trouble than not getting on the park. Once age takes hold the decline could be quite rapid.

There is no sign of a decline with Hargrave. He is enjoying as good a season as he has had in the past.

I for one would be bitterly disappointed if he went, especially when he is one of the very few who is prepared to let the opposition know he is around.

[1eyedog]

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Moles Hooper Mulligan Gilbee gone.
I would trade Sherman. Surely we'd get SOMETHING for him. Ditto Djerkurra.

Shaggy I think might get the tap on the shoulder.
Addison at the start of the year was gone, but he might have a future under Bmac.

Rose coloured glasses off, and Panos is probably taking a spot on the list we should open up for young talent.

If we want to build for a tilt at the flag tough calls have to be made

This won't happen, they are getting played every week so they have a future. Sherman is in the best 22 and DJ on the cusp. If Macca thought they weren't up to scratch they would be in the magoos.

Not many more consistent performers than Shaggy this year. he has the Dustin Fletcher build, if his body holds up I can see him going around next year and I wouldn't be unhappy with that.

[BulldogBelle]

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This won't happen, they are getting played every week so they have a future. Sherman is in the best 22 and DJ on the cusp. If Macca thought they weren't up to scratch they would be in the magoos.

Not many more consistent performers than Shaggy this year. he has the Dustin Fletcher build, if his body holds up I can see him going around next year and I wouldn't be unhappy with that.

Sherman is one of the few senior players we have in the 100-150 game bracket - with speed to burn and aged in his mid 20s

Due to some speculative picks by Clayton we have very few of these players on our list

He wont be traded

Same as Shaggy - he and Lake have held together our backline this season, and is in very reasonable form

Your correct with respect to his build - pending injuries he could play a Darren Millburn role taking the 3rd or 4th best forward and prolong his career well into his 30s

[LostDoggy]

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Playing devils advocate... Do we trade Lake at the end of this year, his currency has returned and would be high, and there are a few teams that would kill for a key defender.

[BulldogBelle]

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The problem is we don't have any A graders.

Our 'depth' is OK and it looks solid moving forward, but we are desperate to add some quality support for Griffen.

Hooper, Mulligan, Moles, Gilbee are gone.

Skinner, Panos if we need to cut deeper.

Maybe re-rookie Panos, who I still think has ability. I'm hoping he can have a good second half of the year, but he'll need to impress.

I think we should try to convince Hargrave to go another year.

So we may have 7 picks in the draft this year (5 regular picks plus the Ward and Reid comp picks)???

And we may be delisting 4 players (Hooper, Mulligan, Moles & Gilbee) and may demote 1 to the rookie list (Panos possibly)

So we'll possibly have 2-3 surplus picks

1) Given the vintage and potential decline of the likes of Morris, Giansiracusa, Lake, Hargrave, Boyd, Murphy etc it would be prudent to trade a pick(s) for a role player with 100-150 games experience whose aged in his mid 20s

(given their age it could be feasible that at least one of them could go downhill very quickly given injuries, form etc)

No point paying overs for anyone - we may simply trade for a hard running, quick, mature, outside player who has decent footskills

2) Possibly trade multiple picks for an earlier selection

3) Keep a later selection for a f/s pick in Hunter (fingers crossed he doesnt go earlier)

[Cyberdoggie]

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Playing devils advocate... Do we trade Lake at the end of this year, his currency has returned and would be high, and there are a few teams that would kill for a key defender.

True but i'm not sure we would get enough for him.
It would be a pretty stupid club to pay the money it would take us to off load him for 1 or 2 years of service. Perhaps Brisbane might be interested?


In all seriousness, he's a club legend now and it doesn't really sit well with me to trade a player out in his last couple of years. I think if we were going to do that we should of done it at his last contract renewel.

[azabob]

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Playing devils advocate... Do we trade Lake at the end of this year, his currency has returned and would be high, and there are a few teams that would kill for a key defender.

I wouldn't think so. We would leak more goals, lose run and drive and lose a very experienced player. More damage in the short term than good in the long term. You don't trade high quality.

[Bulldog Joe]

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I don't think you can have a blanket no to anything.

It is about what value you can create for all parties.

While I would not have a trade for Lake high on the agenda, what would Hawthorn give for someone like him.

At the end of the season it will be important to make the hard decisions that set up the list for the ensuing 3 to 5 years, when Lake, Morris, Boyd, Cross, Hargrave, Giansiracusa, Murphy and possibly Cooney will all be gone.

[Missing Dog]

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What would Hawthorn give for someone like him? Not much I would not think. they would offer up some fringe hack and a token draft pick. Not going to happen. If the Bulldogs were going down this road it would have happened at last contract renewal. He is now contracted and will play the remainder of his career in the hoops and I for one am wrapped in this as he is a gun. You only have to look as far as the Demons to see the fallout with trading out you aging players for draft picks.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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True but i'm not sure we would get enough for him.
It would be a pretty stupid club to pay the money it would take us to off load him for 1 or 2 years of service. Perhaps Brisbane might be interested?


In all seriousness, he's a club legend now and it doesn't really sit well with me to trade a player out in his last couple of years. I think if we were going to do that we should of done it at his last contract renewel.

Lake and Murphy are the stars of a depleted backline following the losses of Morris, Williams, Markovic and Wood. Of all our key position players he rates very highly in his ability to more than match opposition key forwards. Lake is the one player that can consistently take strong marks overhead. We would trade him at our peril now with his fitness and form returning to his previous best.

[anfo27]

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I don't think you can have a blanket no to anything.

It is about what value you can create for all parties.

While I would not have a trade for Lake high on the agenda, what would Hawthorn give for someone like him.

At the end of the season it will be important to make the hard decisions that set up the list for the ensuing 3 to 5 years, when Lake, Morris, Boyd, Cross, Hargrave, Giansiracusa, Murphy and possibly Cooney will all be gone.

agree with this. Although i love Lake & would like to see him play his career out with us but if a team wants him bad enough & is willing to pay overs for a crack at the flag then it should be looked at.
Of course that all depends on where our list is going & whether we get someone through free agency so we can have a crack at it ourself.
My reasoning is we just need as much high end talent we can get our hands on.

[Maddog37]

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What about Tutt. He has hardly played I know but the rest of the year is important for him to show his value to the club. Also if Roberts and Talia are looking good then maybe one of Austin or Marko becomes redundant too.