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  • AndrewP6
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2009
    • 8142

    #361
    Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

    Originally posted by bulldogsman
    There's no way I'd be trading Lake either.
    I'd consider trading Tom Williams depending what's offered up, can hardly get on the park.
    Clayton and the Gold Coast might be interested.
    I think the bold bit would be their thoughts.
    [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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    • Dancin' Douggy
      WOOF Member
      • Oct 2007
      • 2877

      #362
      Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

      Originally posted by Chops
      If we trade out Sherman we would get bugger all for him. 2 trades in 2 years?
      Certainly less than the end round 1 compo we paid for him.
      Can't see it happening.

      As for keeping Skinner before him. That's just ridiculous. What's he done?
      What has Sherman done?

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      • LostDoggy
        WOOF Member
        • Jan 2007
        • 8307

        #363
        Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

        Originally posted by Dancin' Douggy
        What has Sherman done?
        More than skinner.

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        • Sockeye Salmon
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jan 2007
          • 6365

          #364
          Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

          Originally posted by Dancin' Douggy
          I would rather lose Sherman than Skinner.
          That's ridiculous

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          • KT31
            WOOF Member
            • Jul 2008
            • 5455

            #365
            Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

            Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
            That's ridiculous
            ^^^^^^
            Agree
            It's better to die on our feet than live on our knees.

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            • chef
              Hall of Fame
              • Nov 2008
              • 14750

              #366
              Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

              Originally posted by Dancin' Douggy
              What has Sherman done?
              Effected the results of games, I can remember him being BOG in a final for the Lions against the Blues.
              The curse is dead.

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              • Bulldog Joe
                Premiership Moderator
                • Jul 2009
                • 5631

                #367
                Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

                Originally posted by Dancin' Douggy
                I think the perception of what Sherman is, is greater than the sum of his parts.
                He might have goal sense when he's only 5 meters out and crumbing a pack, he has got pace when he's running around like a headless chook. And yes, maybe he fits the profile of number of games played and age, but I would trade him OUT in a heartbeat.

                As a player I would apply the following tags. Flashy, Lazy, Selfish, Reactive.
                Reactive may be the most damning of all. He doesn't create anything.
                He finishes off well if he's lucky enough (not SMART enough) to be in the right place at the right time).
                I would rather lose Sherman than Skinner.

                Just noticed he's been 'omitted ' this week. Maybe Bmac and I are on the same page.
                You may well be right. Sherman doesn't meet the "crack in" philosophy of the coach.
                Life is to be Enjoyed not Endured

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                • comrade
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 18103

                  #368
                  Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

                  Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
                  You may well be right. Sherman doesn't meet the "crack in" philosophy of the coach.
                  I'm not sure I agree. There have been multiple occasions where Sherman has crashed in so hard that it took me by surprise.
                  Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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                  • chef
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 14750

                    #369
                    Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

                    Originally posted by comrade
                    I'm not sure I agree. There have been multiple occasions where Sherman has crashed in so hard that it took me by surprise.
                    Agree with this, Shermo's definitely having a 'crack in'.

                    I am sure he's been told that he probably needs to work on a couple of things back at Willi and will be back in a game or two.
                    The curse is dead.

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                    • Dancin' Douggy
                      WOOF Member
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 2877

                      #370
                      Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

                      Ok I'm going to defend my stance against some pretty one dimensional opinions.

                      Sherman has done more than Skinner. OF COURSE HE HAS!!!!. He's played 134 games.
                      Skinner has played 3.

                      What has Sherman done for US is not huge.

                      I think Skinner has more upside than Sherman. Yes I do.

                      We've seen Sherman for 134 games, we know what he does, I can't see him improving dramatically, or reinventing himself from where he is.

                      Skinner is a 189 cm athlete, who can weave through traffic and change direction like a rover.
                      He has a huge leap and usually pretty good hands. From what I've seen at senior level he puts himself straight into the game. He goes to where the action is and chases, tackles, flies for marks and generally gets involved. He doesn't just hover round the fringes like Hill and Stack used to do.

                      He's averaging more goals per game than Sherman in 2012.

                      He's still raw and nervous and maybe needs a couple more pre seasons to get fully 'AFL' fit.

                      But, boy, if he does his upside is enormous.

                      He did the right thing moving from his tiny community in the Kimberley to Darwin to get fitter and play in a better league. He passed that test with flying colours and now I would love to see the club back him for at least 2 more years. He could be the electric player we lack up forward.

                      Personally I would be sadder to lose Skinner than Sherman.

                      A future with a fit and firing Skinner is more exciting than a future with a fit and firing Sherman.

                      There.

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                      • LostDoggy
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 8307

                        #371
                        Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

                        Of course Skinner has more an upside. He is coming from a zero base. It's only up from there.
                        Lucky to be on the list this season, needs to make things happen quick smart or he'll be delisted this year.
                        Our saviour.

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                        • Mofra
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 15118

                          #372
                          Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

                          Originally posted by Dancin' Douggy
                          Skinner has played 3 quarters
                          EFA - we've yet to see Skinner run out even half a game at the highest level.

                          In a team crying out for pace & outside run, Shermo can provide that. Skinner can provide a highlight then go missing for long periods of time.
                          I'd love to see Skinner make it as a footballer but I'm firmly in the "not convinced" camp until he can actually run out a game.
                          Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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                          • Sockeye Salmon
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 6365

                            #373
                            Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

                            Originally posted by Dancin' Douggy
                            Ok I'm going to defend my stance against some pretty one dimensional opinions.

                            Sherman has done more than Skinner. OF COURSE HE HAS!!!!. He's played 134 games.
                            Skinner has played 3.

                            What has Sherman done for US is not huge.

                            I think Skinner has more upside than Sherman. Yes I do.

                            We've seen Sherman for 134 games, we know what he does, I can't see him improving dramatically, or reinventing himself from where he is.

                            Skinner is a 189 cm athlete, who can weave through traffic and change direction like a rover.
                            He has a huge leap and usually pretty good hands. From what I've seen at senior level he puts himself straight into the game. He goes to where the action is and chases, tackles, flies for marks and generally gets involved. He doesn't just hover round the fringes like Hill and Stack used to do.

                            He's averaging more goals per game than Sherman in 2012.

                            He's still raw and nervous and maybe needs a couple more pre seasons to get fully 'AFL' fit.

                            But, boy, if he does his upside is enormous.

                            He did the right thing moving from his tiny community in the Kimberley to Darwin to get fitter and play in a better league. He passed that test with flying colours and now I would love to see the club back him for at least 2 more years. He could be the electric player we lack up forward.

                            Personally I would be sadder to lose Skinner than Sherman.

                            A future with a fit and firing Skinner is more exciting than a future with a fit and firing Sherman.

                            There.
                            20 game rule

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                            • chef
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 14750

                              #374
                              Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

                              Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                              20 game rule
                              I was waiting for that.
                              The curse is dead.

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                              • Sedat
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 11605

                                #375
                                Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

                                Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                                That's ridiculous
                                My thoughts on Sherman are well-documented, but even I would choose to keep Sherman over Skinner. Having said that, I wouldn't lose a nanosecond of sleep if we lost both at the end of the season to be honest.
                                "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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